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Do you men and women think that Invicta, Renato, Sturhling and Android will become staples in the watch industry like Rolex, Tag Heuer and all those other high end brands? Are they worth collecting?

Will they be worth something more later?

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#3 Today, 10:32 AM X-James

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Them is some loaded questions that will most assuredly create some heat but this is just my opinion and only my opinion but to your first question, no, no, no, no and to your second question what determines what is or is not worth collecting and to your third question just ask yourself if to you will they be worth more later.

Some seriously loaded questions surely going to start a little fire and heat for sure.

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Of course, the TV Brands you mentioned are worth collecting, for the fun of it only, never for an investment. While a few exceptional pieces within these brands may hold their value or appreciate, those pieces are few and far between.

In any case, you aren't going to get rich collecting these.

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I don't IMO think the will replace those high enders. I do think many of us have love Watches and may these brands will expand the modest middle class with some excitement the higher brands over looked IMO.

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Renato has a chance ie. low production #'s quality product excellent CS all the other mfgs. you mentioned have these same 3 things in common

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Never - I buy the TV brands because I like a certain timepiece. I never even consider what it may be worth in the future - because if I am honest with myself the answer is Not Much. That said I have my favorites as well as favorite models. I do it for the fun of it. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

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It's hard to say what watch/timepiece or anything for that matter, will be worth in the future. I know there is a couple of older models from Invicta that are hard to come by. These are surely collectible. But I would only purchase Invictas and other brands you mentioned because you enjoy wearing them. Don't do it for an investment... __________________ Life is Good. Especially when you're wearing a nice watch.

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I would be in agreement with everyone else, MPO it will never happen, 1st of all they would most likely have to be All Swiss made, 2nd they would have to start doing some serious advertising, which in turn would cause the watches to probably double in cost, 3rd they would have to limit the amount of models they produce.

These are just a few things that would have to happen, and in the long run for these companies it would hurt their business more than helping. __________________

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Not likely unless they change their whole businss practice and that probably includes not selling their watches on TV.I do think they can reach their own levels of sucess. If any of them could manufacture their on movements then they could reach higher levels that they are at now.It takes many years of watchmaking to be a real high end player. __________________

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Wing of Android, Stan of Deep Blue and George of NFW, I think, are on their way up. They run their company's with integrity and put out amazing products for the price. I don't see how they can't go on to more. I haven't heard of anyone who has bought a watch from them being unhappy.

XOskeleton is one of the most creative and most thoughtfully put together watches I have ever gotten.

They think of everything and I see them going further.

I have no idea on if they will be a staple such as Rolex but I think XO, Deep Blue, Android and NFW will be more sought after in the future by more people. I can't understand why they are not charging more for their items now and I can't understand why they are not huge. They are new though, and it may take time. I am glad I got in on these brands now, if they do take off and leave me behind, I will have some great watches to console me.

As far as what you buy now, increasing in value, I can't say. I don't buy for a future jump in value, I get what I like and will wear.

These are just my thoughts, I am no professional and my opinion is just that, my opinion.

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No and no.

Their business models do not seem drive at those goals.

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Nope! Invicta will never travel in same circles as Rolex, Breitling or Omega. Not when BJs has them on their Christmas Table for $35. Invicta can make a solid 18k gold with 7750 movement and sell it for $15,000 and it will still be an Invicta.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

As far as the other brands - I don't think they have the advertising budget to get their name out there.

They would have to have a yacht race or F1 race or the Olympic timing contract to develop the same name recognition as TAG or Omega or Rolex. And they would also have to stop selling on ShopNBC. You can't market to the masses and get the same reputation as the high end brands.

With that said, please don't think I am saying they are not quality products. The high end brands are just over priced and over hyped.

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it does my heart good to see that the responders to this post are in touch with reality. these t.v. brands are mass produced, low end but albeit attractive and affordable watches. they are certainly worth the couple of hundred dollars or less that we pay for them. quite frankly the fine swiss watch brands have

out priced themselves and are not worth the inflated prices that they charge. with few exceptions modern watches are not collectible and nobody has a crystal ball to determine which models will appreciate in the future. the brands that i consider to be high end are not rolex and tag but patek philippe, vacheron & constantin, audemars piguet and the like. please don't count on your subaqua noma being offered at sotheby's any time soon!

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Quote: Originally Posted by imawatchgeek Do you men and women think that Invicta, Renato, Sturhling and Android will become staples in the watch industry like Rolex, Tag Heuer and all those other high end brands? Are they worth collecting?

Will they be worth something more later?

No. __________________ Purchased brands: Chase-Durer, Timex, Citizen, and Invictas.

Gifted brands: Rolex, Breitling, Lum-Tec, Citzens, and Seiko.

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Quote: Originally Posted by imawatchgeek Do you men and women think that Invicta, Renato, Sturhling and Android will become staples in the watch industry like Rolex, Tag Heuer and all those other high end brands? Are they worth collecting?

Will they be worth something more later?

Your thoughts on this will be greatly appreciated...

Part of the Rolex and Breitling success story is that not everyone can afford one. That what makes them special. The higher the cost, the more value is placed on it and the more people desire to own it.

The ShopNBC family of watches are everyday people watches........the main street watch so to speak.

That is why they will never be in the same boat. Sometimes it's about quality but alot if it has to due with a great marketing plan to keep that desire of luxury alive.

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renato is asian made ,long term swiss brands is what people look for.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BabyDoc Of course, the TV Brands you mentioned are worth collecting, for the fun of it only, never for an investment. While a few exceptional pieces within these brands may hold their value or appreciate, those pieces are few and far between.

In any case, you aren't going to get rich collecting these.

Agree totally. Collect them because you like the style, or they are a conversation piece, or they are just fun. If you are looking to make money, look elsewhere.

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i love Invicta , it dogs my Rolex sub mariner. Invicta haters go to watchfreeks ,I do not want to here it!

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NO they will not hold there value like Rolex, Tag etc. the only one that might is Renato as others hae

stated

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Quote: Originally Posted by oceanghost39 i love Invicta , it dogs my Rolex sub mariner. Invicta haters go to watchfreeks ,I do not want to here it!

Hear the TRUTH...it just may set you free!!! that is ok.

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Quote: Originally Posted by oceanghost39 i love Invicta , it dogs my Rolex sub mariner. Invicta haters go to watchfreeks ,I do not want to here it! let's just say we both get stranded in europe penniless. you're wearing your brand new invicta excursion(a member of the revered reserve collection!) and i'm wearing my 20 year old rolex submariner. who do you think will make it back home? nobody here hates invicta because if so we wouldn't be here. all that we are trying so say is that a hyundai is not a mercedes. that doesn't mean you can't enjoy driving your hyundai.

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hard to say, although the brands you mentioned ar enot sought after by the "in:" crowd of people who buy watches for their prestige, they are becomming more and more popular as we can see more people joining here and buying Invicta, etc... that's not to say they will hold value but not to say they wont come years from now. some are hard to find and some people who wear these brands will pay more for something hard to find...

IE, take a subaqua noma II with 7750 valjoux. hard to find cud still pull $1,000+. remember watcvhes are something that is worn, banged here and there, slid across the counter or desk... they dont stay pristine like a car that gets put up on blocks and never driven.... so values can vary... but the original purchase price of Invicta Renato android So etc arent high to begin with. so maybe ya dont buy a rolex or breitling cuz ya cant afford to spend $5k, $10k, but before ya know it you've unknowingly without realizing spent that much on 20 of SHOP's brands. look back to thread a week or so ago where lots of us posted an estimate on what we've spent on our collection thus far.... some posted $10-15,000+.... so who's laughing and caring about value Mink, Lalo, and Wing or the owner of Rolex that you didnt spend yur $ on. __________________ BigBully

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Quote: Originally Posted by mbgalg it does my heart good to see that the responders to this post are in touch with reality. These t.v. Brands are mass produced, low end but albeit attractive and affordable watches. They are certainly worth the couple of hundred dollars or less that we pay for them. Quite frankly the fine swiss watch brands have out priced themselves and are not worth the inflated prices that they charge. With few exceptions modern watches are not collectible and nobody has a crystal ball to determine which models will appreciate in the future. The brands that i consider to be high end are not rolex and tag but patek philippe, vacheron & constantin, audemars piguet and the like. please don't count on your subaqua

noma being offered at sotheby's any time soon!

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Do Not Buy any watch to make money , I do not care what brand it is . Buy your watches because you enjoy the style and like to wear them as far as making money do that with your investments not watches . JMHO __________________

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These were some great answers to the questions at hand... I love m little collection and I love wearing them. I will still surely pass them down to my 2 sons in hopes that they too would love to collect watches wether moderate or high end...

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These are fun watches to own. You get a lot for your money and a lot of variety. But that's about it. Invicta sells new watches for $50, so right there it pretty much destroys any high end prestige. Part of the prestige of a Breitling or Omega is that people simply know it costs a LOT. You see an Invicta and it could be a $59 watch from TJ Maxx. nferr View Public Profile Send a private message to nferr Find all posts by nferr Add nferr to Your Contacts #29 Today, 01:12 PM

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Do Not Buy any watch to make money , I do not care what brand it is .

Buy your watches because you enjoy the style and like to wear them as far as making money do that with your investments not watches . JMHO

good advice to the general public but bad advice to those vintage watch afficionados who have become very wealthy buying and selling vintage watches. i personally know quite a few people who have made and continue to make a fortune living in the vintage watch world. it is much more difficult to accomplish than in the past but if you have enough money and knowledge it is still doable. mbgalg View Public Profile Send a private message to mbgalg Find all posts by mbgalg Add mbgalg to Your Contacts #30 Today, 01:14 PM Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New York,NY Posts: 662

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Originally Posted by mbgalg it does my heart good to see that the responders to this post are in touch with reality. these t.v. brands are mass produced, low end but albeit attractive and affordable watches. they are certainly worth the couple of hundred dollars or less that we pay for them. quite frankly the fine swiss watch brands have out priced themselves and are not worth the inflated prices that they charge. with few exceptions modern watches are not collectible and nobody has a crystal ball to determine which models will appreciate in the future. the brands that i consider to be high end are not rolex and tag but patek philippe, vacheron & constantin, audemars piguet and the like. please don't count on your subaqua noma being offered at sotheby's any time soon! you win!! __________________ I'd rather be a lion for a day than a lamb that lives forever - Canibus krayziehustler View Public Profile Send a private message to krayziehustler Find all posts by krayziehustler Add krayziehustler to Your Contacts #31 Today, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyDoc Of course, the TV Brands you mentioned are worth collecting, for the fun of it only, never for an investment. While a few exceptional pieces within these brands may hold their value or appreciate, those pieces are few and far between.

In any case, you aren't going to get rich collecting these.

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Theres no dought Shop is making a difference in the names of these brands getting well known. Invicta being the best well known. As many of them being sold the name has to be getting around all over. Look how many of us there are not counting all the other people collecting. I bet if there was a survey Invicta sells more watches right now than anyone. The problem is the pricing that goes on. Theres no way they will keep there value. reserveman View Public Profile Send a private message to reserveman Send email to reserveman Find all posts by reserveman Add reserveman to Your Contacts #34 Today, 01:30 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 303 Real Name: Paul

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These brands are affordable and offer variety and are decent watches. I not delude myself into thinking they are anything more than that.

They will never be the high end brands you mention, and the manufacturers are not, IMO, trying to compete with those brands.

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I bought the Invicta Touring Excursion last year on launch day for $399.00, it sold the other day on Sunday run for $155.00, but I love the watch and don't really care. Buy a watch no matter what the cost only because you like it. I really think this goes for anything you buy.

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I have several Rolexes and still love the couple Invictas I have. I agree you purchase what you like and what you want to wear or collect.

It is idiotic to compare an Invicta to a Rolex. It is the same as when people compare a Nissan 350Z to a Porshe 911. I love the 350Z and it may well be just as fast, but it will never be a Porsche. That does not make the 350Z any lesser of a car. It is a great and fast car, just not a Porsche.

The reality is that Rolexes and Omegas are really not collectible watches either. They are mass produced and anyone with some money can buy one. I am not saying that some

current Rolexes and Omegas won't become collectible, but with so many out there it is going to take a long time and it better be some sort of anniversary edition or James Bond model. I think 90 percent of my friends and attorneys I work with have a friggen Submariner. How is that exclusive, other than showing you can pay for it. I wear a 20 year old Rolex President that my dad gave me. I love it because my dad gave it to me. It is a nice watch and makes an impression on some people, but to be honest from a looks standpoint, I think their are tons of other watches out there that look better, including plenty of Invictas. Heck, today I am wearing my son's favorite watch my Gunmetal and Rose Tone Renato Wilde Beast on rubber.

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Originally Posted by LTCARMY These brands are affordable and offer variety and are decent watches. I not delude myself into thinking they are anything more than that.

They will never be the high end brands you mention, and the manufacturers are not, IMO, trying to compete with those brands.

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Good items for the dollar, but not for appreciation in terms of dollar values in the future.