Invicta reserve no longer swiss

Bigjay66 Senior Member Senior Geek

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Please help me understand this?

Please help me understand why this is a reserve piece thtat's swiss made like Invicta has always preeched. I thought all reserve time pieces were swiss made and hand assembled??? Please give me better understanding has to what is going on now???

Thank You, Invicta Men's Reserve Ocean Speedway Automatic Chronograph Stainless Steel Bracelet Watch - J401750 ShopNBC Price: $965.00 Retail value: $1,595.00

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The round black carbon fiber dial displays luminous Tritnite index markers in all hour positions. Tritnite hour, minute and chronograph hands point out the time with ease. A seconds subdial near 2:00, an hour subdial near 6:00 and a minute subdial near 10:00 complete the composition. An extended date window appears from 4:00 to 5:00.

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jackievictor Senior Member Super Geek

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Things have changed. It started with the Lupah Reserve. Why? I don't know. But, it did. __________________

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#3 Today, 02:13 AM

Flyback Senior Member True WatchGeek

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Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Great news folks! Eyal has been in meetings with SNBC all week getting ready for the upcoming Spring Forward event next month. One of the things to come out of those meetings is a surprise deal on the Ocean Speedway and it is going to release tomorrow with a very special and unexpected price!

This incredible new Reserve piece boasts the SII NE78A automatic chronograph movement.

This is a very new and VERY expensive (more than a Valjoux 7750) 36,000 vph high-beat automatic chronograph movement. This movement was developed by the same team that brought you the Seiko Spring Drive (SII being a part of Seiko).

This is one I cannot wait to present!

Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Nope, that was never said. As a matter of fact, Eyal himself said on air when the Reserve Lupah debuted just the opposite. That would always put the best we can into the Reserve line and that would not always be Swiss movements...as is the case with the NE78A. Quote: Originally Posted by meijin No...we have used non-Swiss movements in other Reserve watches. As I have already stated in this thread. The Reserve Lupah had the SII NE20 automatic in it almost 2 years ago. Case in point is the upcoming tourbillons that we have coming out. Reserve pieces with totally customized Chinese tourbillons.

Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Not all Reserve pieces are Swiss Made. For instance, we put the Seiko NE20 into the Reserve Lupah. Built the same way in the same factories, but such a movement prevents the watch from qualifying as Swiss Made.

Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Not hardly. Quite the opposite actually. This watch operates at 36,000 beats per hour. Other similar movements (such as the Valjoux 7750) operate at 28,800 beats per hour or lower.

The only major brands putting out such high-beat movements are Zenith and Favre-Leuba. Chopard (and I believe a few others) have some in the works, but are not on the market yet. TAG's 360 chronograph is a high-beat, but it uses a Zenith calibre movement in it.

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Originally Posted by meijin Hmmmm...really? Except that it has already been done. Almost two years ago with another very high end movement. Reserve Lupah. .. __________________

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#4 Today, 02:16 AM meijin WatchGeeks Managing Director True WatchGeek

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I am sorry that you are mistaken concerning the Reserve timepieces. Not all of them are Swiss made and this has been the case for some time. Case in point, the Reserve Lupah that we released almost two years ago. Made the same way in the same factories as the Swiss made versions, but with a non-Swiss movement. That one used the SII NE20 movement. Non-Swiss movement, not a Swiss Made watch. And it will be the same in the future. Take for example our customized tourbillons that we have coming out. They are Chinese tourbillons going into Reserve watches. Same factories and methods, but with a non-Swiss movement. Therefore, not a Swiss Made timepiece.

The vast majority of the Reserve pieces are Swiss made. But, when it comes to a movement as special as the SII NE78A, then (as Eyal says) we are going to put it in the best and most appropriate watch.

Hope that helps you. __________________ Michael

Argument is meant to reveal the truth, not to create it. ~ Edward de Bono Invicta...in hoc nomen vinces!

meijin

#5 Today, 02:29 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,212 alwaystenpastten Senior Member Master WatchGeek

There are many, many threads regarding what many loyal Invicta customers regard as the lowered standards of the Reserve line, which initially was touted as all Swiss Made, hand assembled, small production numbers, sapphire crystals, only Swiss movements, and so on. For the few who know best. As Victor said, things have changed for Invicta Reserve. The prices on Reserve watches have also gone down. And this has been the case for a while now, it's not a brand-new change. But for the sake of education, enjoy this video from one of the very first Reserve shows. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34530240832555 __________________ Keep your crowns screwed down, my friends.

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#6 Today, 02:34 AM watchayla1 Senior Member Master WatchGeek

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Quote: Originally Posted by meijin I am sorry that you are mistaken concerning the Reserve timepieces. Not all of them are Swiss made and this has been the case for some time. Case in point, the Reserve Lupah that we released almost two years ago. Made the same way in the same factories as the Swiss made versions, but with a non-Swiss movement. That one used the SII NE20 movement. Non-Swiss movement, not a Swiss Made watch. And it will be the same in the future. Take for example our customized tourbillons that we have coming out. They are Chinese tourbillons going into Reserve watches. Same factories and methods, but with a non-Swiss movement. Therefore, not a Swiss Made timepiece.

The vast majority of the Reserve pieces are Swiss made. But, when it comes to a movement as special as the SII NE78A, then (as Eyal says) we are going to put it in the best and most appropriate watch.

Hope that helps you.

I own the reserve lupah, and I'm happy to own it AND the m'ment inside of it is just fine with me. Some Japan autos work excellent --- this is JMO. __________________ WATCHES = FUN

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#7 Today, 02:44 AM jimmyv Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by watchayla1 I own the reserve lupah, and I'm happy to own it AND the m'ment inside of it is just fine with me. Some Japan autos work excellent --- this is JMO. Totally agree and the only reason I sold mine was with the Sandstone it ended up being more on the dressy side and I just didn't wear it much. I really like that movement in the reserve Lupah though and it was very accurate and would like to see it in other watches at some point. jimmyv

#8 Today, 02:45 AM meijin WatchGeeks Managing Director True WatchGeek

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Quote: Originally Posted by alwaystenpastten There are many, many threads regarding what many loyal Invicta customers regard as the lowered standards of the Reserve line, which initially was touted as all Swiss Made, hand assembled, small production numbers, sapphire crystals, only Swiss movements, and so on.

For the few who know best. As Victor said, things have changed for Invicta Reserve. And this has been the case for a while now, it's not a brand-new change. But for the sake of education, enjoy this video from one of the very first Reserve shows. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34530240832555 Well, the only problem with your post and that video is that it is never said that every Reserve watch was going to be Swiss Made.

The only difference with watches like the Reserve Lupah and the Ocean Speedway is the movement. In the case of the Ocean Speedway, this is a very complex, very difficult to get, very expensive and very exclusive movement (the NE78A). Everything else is built that same way as a Swiss Made Reserve. Same people are making them. Same materials are used in them. Same factories are used. The only difference is the movement. If you feel as though that the used of a movement like the NE78A is some how down grading the Reserve line, then feel free not to purchase it. As for Invicta, we will still continue to put the best movements in these watches like the SII NE78A. __________________ Michael

Argument is meant to reveal the truth, not to create it. ~ Edward de Bono Invicta...in hoc nomen vinces!

meijin

#9 Today, 02:46 AM steiner Member Member Geek

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This is a good post for those, like myself that thought they heard the original definition of the Reserve line and how that differs from "todays" version. steiner

#10 Today, 03:00 AM

DIRTY_S30 Senior Member Senior Geek

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All I have to say is stop buying watches just because of the words on the dial. Do you even know how much a Seiko spring drive goes for? This movement must be pretty nice. __________________

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#11 Today, 03:17 AM meijin WatchGeeks Managing Director True WatchGeek

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Quote: Originally Posted by DIRTY_S30 All I have to say is stop buying watches just because of the words on the dial. Do you even

know how much a Seiko spring drive goes for? This movement must be pretty nice.

Just to be clear here...the NE78A is NOT a type of Spring Drive movement. There are connections via the team that developed the Spring Drive, but it is not the same technology. I just want to make sure that everyone is clear on that. __________________ Michael

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meijin

#12 Today, 03:29 AM

Bigjay66 Senior Member Senior Geek

Thank You MIKE for giving me be understanding!!!!!!!!!!!

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DIRTY_S30 Senior Member Senior Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Just to be clear here...the NE78A is NOT a type of Spring Drive movement. There are connections via the team that developed the Spring Drive, but it is not the same technology. I just want to make sure that everyone is clear on that.

Thanks Mike, I understood that was just pointing out or least trying to is that if there are team connections between the spring drive technology and the NE78A than the NE78A would have to be one hell of a movement to be in the Reserve collection making the swiss made on the dial the minor factor. __________________

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#14 Today, 08:30 AM

jackievictor Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by meijin Well, the only problem with your post and that video is that it is never said that every Reserve watch was going to be Swiss Made.

The only difference with watches like the Reserve Lupah and the Ocean Speedway is the movement. In the case of the Ocean Speedway, this is a very complex, very difficult to get, very expensive and very exclusive movement (the NE78A). Everything else is built that same way as a Swiss Made Reserve. Same people are making them. Same materials are used in them. Same factories are used. The only difference is the movement. If you feel as though that the used of a movement like the NE78A is some how down grading the Reserve line, then feel free not to purchase it. As for Invicta, we will still continue to put the best movements in these watches like the SII NE78A. Just to be clear in my own mind, are you saying that it was never said on air that the Reserve line would be all "Swiss Made"?

Personally, I absolutely no problem with changing the direction of the Reserve line, but I'm pretty sure that it was said on air that the Reserve line was all Swiss Made. __________________

Victor jackievictor

#15 Today, 08:46 AM

ucdavisboy Senior Member Veteran Geek

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It was never said quote un-quote that "all Invicta Reserve are Swiss Made". What HAS been said (up until as recently as LAST WEEK on air) has been "you are buying into the Reserve line which means all Swiss Made, all hand assembled" etc. That phrasing translates to "you buy X, you get X". It doesn't say "on THIS X watch, you get THIS X" rather it infers a generalization to ALL items in that line.

It would be nice if generalizations regarding the Reserve line be avoided when presenting or talking about them so that this confusion does not keep happening. It doesn't personally bother me because I do a lot of research on anything I buy so I know what I'm buying inside and out before I do, but for some they hear that and assume all Reserve pieces carry those traits....and there is no reason they shouldn't-because that's the way its being phrased. __________________ "I am tired of being asked to pretend stupid is a virtue." ucdavisboy

#16 Today, 10:12 AM

jwin66 Senior Member Super Geek

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Most reserve Timepieces..at least the ones I have, are Swiss Made....For the movement, alone you should buy this timepiece..

Jon __________________

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#17 Today, 12:03 PM

kramer5150 Senior Member Super Geek

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Quote: Originally Posted by jackievictor Just to be clear in my own mind, are you saying that it was never said on air that the Reserve line would be all "Swiss Made"?

Personally, I absolutely no problem with changing the direction of the Reserve line, but I'm pretty sure that it was said on air that the Reserve line was all Swiss Made.

I know I have heard countless times Both Jim and Eyal say "What you are getting with a Reserve timepiece.... hand assembled, Swiss Made....". Clearly the implication (at least how I had perceived it) is that the Reserve line as a whole is Swiss Made.

Whether or not they were actually presenting a Swiss Made watch (in hand) at that moment is irrelevant. The commentary was made as a general statement for all Reserve pieces.

To the OP... you have to treat each piece on a case-by case basis. Personally, I do not really care one way or another where the IR comes from, so long as it represents the best of Invicta (which I think it still does). FWIW some of my best timepieces come from Japan and China (Citizen and Android respectively). But there ARE collectors who value swiss made pieces in their collection, and I completely respect that too. __________________ The WatchBox Review Series kramer5150

#18 Today, 12:09 PM

Chief68 WatchGeeks Moderator True WatchGeek

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Most times they are Swiss Made but nothing is 100% , the fact what Eyal always says is the Best materials available to them are used in the Reserve line , Hand Made and Assembled by certain members of the staff (ONLY) . The fact is if it is not a swiss movement used in the Reserve watch you can be sure the movement that is used will be a real good one. __________________

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