Invicta sandstone dials

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qwikfix Senior Member Veteran Geek

Invicta sandstone dial is not natural sandstone.

A friend sent me a dial, movement and caseback from a Blue sandstone Invicta Model number 0050 and asked if I could have it examined by an expert. Today I met with a geologist at an area college and he informed me that no the dial was not natural sandstone and that it was probably glass with manmade grown crystals inside (you know the sparkly stuff). After my lesson in sandstone formation and observing the dial under a microscope I too am convinced that this dial is in no way natural by any stretch of the imagination. Just last Friday Eyal was asked just this question and his reply was "natural". My only question is why?

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Invicta sandstone dial is not natural sandstone.

ASK JIM Truthful info should be out there for all to see.

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Is it Swiss or Chinese "faux" sandstone?

I only like the fake Swiss stuff myself. __________________

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Here we go again .......................... Eyal had better reply .. or Diamond J or Meijun .. before this one gets outta hand too .. Blue

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Here we go folks. Controversy time! Hope you packed a lunch cause it's gonna be a long trip...

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Now what!!!

First we have the swiss made issue Then we have crystals instead of diamonds and now this!!! What is next, that our Meteorite dials are not real meteorite?

I would like to hear the explanation from Invicta on this one. __________________

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Here we go again! __________________

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Proof?

Sounds like that other site's BS to me? __________________ "WHO DAT"

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Came from the same company that did the crystals - (diamonds) on that ladies watch they made. Wasn't there a post about that a few weeks ago?

I wish Invicta used a totally different name instead of Invicta II. Its really effecting the brand Ron __________________ rbart

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timeman Senior Member True WatchGeek

IF it's not sandstone there is a man made substance called Goldstone. The two photos below are Goldstone and not Sandstone.

Definition of Goldstone from wikipedia.

"Goldstone is a type of glittering glass made in a low-oxygen reducing atmophere. The finished product can take a smooth polish and be carved into beads, figurines, or other artifacts suitable for semiprecious stone, and in fact goldstone is often mistaken for or misrepresented as a natural material." __________________

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Originally Posted by strutn45 Proof?

Sounds like that other site's BS to me?

That's harsh. John's a respected member of this forum and he's talking about a personal experience. __________________

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Ok what is up? I hope that this is not true, but even Swiss Legend uses a sandstone. Minds want to know.

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You know, I saw a report by at least one other person who had taken a Sandstone Invicta apart and commented that there was no way that was natural sandstone. I understand that dial has been sent to a geological institute for analysis. That was why I asked Eyal the other day when he was online if the Invicta sandstone dials were actual natural sandstone, or created sandstone. He replied "Natural!"

Now we have the report from John in the OP that a professional has confirmed that the material in the Invicta sandstone dials is NOT natural sandstone. If this other report comes back the same way, I think that will constitute pretty conclusive proof. After the issue with the diamonds with no reply from Invicta, on top of the D-D and Swiss issues (and a few others) .... even though Eyal said outright in reply to my question that it was natural sandstone ..... at this point I wouldn't put anything past them, and with that recent history I think the burden of proof falls squarely on Invicta to come forward with a response to this (yet once again).

Maybe Eyal ordered these sandstone dials from the same company he ordered the diamond accent botiques from .... and he anticipated genuine sandstone and genuine diamonds, and didn't know what he was getting. AND ... as bad as that would be, it's actually the least possible bad scenario. __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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Originally Posted by CharlieB That's harsh. John's a respected member of this forum and he's talking about a personal experience.

I'm talking about proof...thats harsh? __________________

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Originally Posted by strutn45 I'm talking about proof...thats harsh?

No, it was the sounds like BS part. Forget it. __________________

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I doesnt matter to me if its real sand or man made. What would bother me is being lied to, if it turns out that what John says is true. Not saying that I dont believe it.

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Originally Posted by strutn45 Proof?

Sounds like that other site's BS to me?

What proof would be adequate? And more importantly how would this proof personally affect you?

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In before thread is locked!

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Originally Posted by strutn45 I'm talking about proof...thats harsh?

You don't consider a microscopic analysis of an actual Invicta dial by a geologist to be proof? __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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Wow this is crazy. I have a swiss SW200 pro diver sandstone or is it not???

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LOL I bought a "standstone" Ocean Reef in silver a couple weeks back- Got it in and it didnt have that "sandstone" sparkle - so I sent it back- maybe I got REAL sandstone! If thats the case- I'll take the man made "fake" stuff that sparkles like the "night sky" as Jim says. Just got in a couple of tungsten SWI sandstones in red and blue and they sparkle like crazy- love them. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834

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As a point I might think that Invicta was the goat in a scam some how. Either way you look at it is a bad thing if true.

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Originally Posted by qwikfix What proof would be adequate? And more importantly how would this proof personally affect you?

Well, guess that means you can't prove it so it really doesn't matter...does it. __________________

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No comments. I only pick Invicta up from bargain sites so can't complain. __________________ Current: Seiko Frankenmonster, Seiko 007, Orient Big Mako, Citizen Orca, SANIII Auto, Invicta Grand Diver, SeaGull dress, G-Shock 'BumbleBee'

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Remember when Invicta first instroduced sandstone dials in the Lupah reserve? Man they made such a huge thing over how exotic and rare and expensive and exclusive it was to be using sandstone dials ....... now, we see 5000 pieces of sandstone dial classique for a hundred bucks ..... hmmmm, makes one wonder about those original statements about how expensive and exclusive sandstone dials actually are?

Z, you might be right, it could well be that man made sandstone actually has more sparkle and looks better and natural sandstone would look ..... but, how it looks is not actually the

point, is it? __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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Originally Posted by MrAutoGuy No comments. I only pick Invicta up from bargain sites so can't complain.

Me too. Buy other brands from Shop. Can always find my Invictas for a lower price elsewhere.

I have a Swiss Legend Blue Sandstone dial. Never gave any thought regarding the Sandstone. Will be interested to see if there is a response one way or another. __________________ Larry Live Long and Prosper

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Originally Posted by OmegaMeister Is it Swiss or Chinese "faux" sandstone?

I only like the fake Swiss stuff myself.

Maybe what Eyal ment was it was "SWISS" sand....... __________________

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Originally Posted by strutn45 Well, guess that means you can prove it so it really doesn't matter...does it.

Exactly...

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Originally Posted by qwikfix A friend sent me a dial, movement and caseback from a Blue sandstone Invicta Model number 0050 and asked if I could have it examined by an expert. Today I met with a geologist at an area college and he informed me that no the dial was not natural sandstone and that it was probably glass with manmade grown crystals inside (you know the sparkly stuff). After my lesson in sandstone formation and observing the dial under a microscope I too am convinced that this dial is in no way natural by any stretch of the imagination. Just last Friday Eyal was asked just this question and his reply was "natural". My only question is why? is this geologist a professor with an advanced degree? i'm not sure what constitutes expert

in this area but it sure sounds like pretty incriminating evidence that we are being lied to. personally i couldn't care less whether its sandstone, meteorite or petrified whale terd just be honest. i don't know how far you want to take this but would this geologist be willing to write a short note as to his or her findings? it really isn't worth the negative energy.

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Look, it all depends on what the meaning of "natural" means. __________________ It's better to have loved and lost, then to never have had that special watch...

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You can see from my Avatar, I recently bought this watch from the Sunday Run. This is another disappointment from the Mothership.

Yikes! __________________ Collecting Value, One Invicta At A Time!

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Originally Posted by qwikfix What proof would be adequate?

Until it comes from Jim, its LIES ALL LIES!!! __________________

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile Until it comes from Jim, its LIES ALL LIES!!!

Pal, you gotta pull you head outta the sand.....stone. __________________

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Originally Posted by RLFierro I do believe an advanced degree is a requirement to be a professor, correct??? incorrect! you can be a low level professor with just a bachelor's or master's degree or higher up in the teaching chain with a phd. some fields require the paper along with experience but in some areas experience is enough to qualify as an expert.

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I applaud the investigational queries by qwikfix, WatchYaThink, timeman and other WGs who don't just accept as fact every aspect of a sales pitch.

No matter how innocently or innocuously information about the watches we buy is dispatched, the fact is many of us have come to realize that sometimes we are given incorrect information about these watches, and that is just wrong. ~ Denise rottieluv View Public Profile Send a private message to rottieluv Find all posts by rottieluv Add rottieluv to Your Contacts

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Another day a other fiasco. Lol is anybody really shocked i mean let's be honest here. This type of thing is nothing new, and is exactly why my hard earned cash is spent elsewhere.

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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...Bill "slick willy" Clinton. And so it goes........????????

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Foreign market sandstone? __________________ Ah, pigs: an omnivorous, domesticated, cloven-hoof vertebrate that defecates the same place it consumes.

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This is wild. I do not care if it is man made or real sandstone. I just do not like being lied to.

This is now the third issue that shows some type of possible deception. I think this needs to be addressed because I really like Invicta and would rather be told the truth then mislead. I would buy a man made dial if it looked nice, and My Classique Sandstone is beautiful. Well I hope there is an answer soon.

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I think any experienced rock hound could tell real sandstone from a man made look-a-like material. I would also think a Geology Grad Student could do the samething, let alone a Professor of Geology. Likewise a Certified Professional Geologist.

Usually a College Professor is a person with a Doctorate Degree. Associate Professors can have a Masters Degree.

Oh well, I am sure we'll hear an interesting explaination from someone at Invicta, unless by some happening this issue will just go-away.

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This is wild. I do not care if it is man made or real sandstone. I just do not like being lied to.

This is now the third issue that shows some type of possible deception. I think this needs to be addressed because I really like Invicta and would rather be told the truth then mislead. I would buy a man made dial if it looked nice, and My Classique Sandstone is beautiful. Well I hope there is an answer soon.

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I think any experienced rock hound could tell real sandstone from a man made look-a-like material. I would also think a Geology Grad Student could do the samething, let alone a Professor of Geology. Likewise a Certified Professional Geologist.

Usually a College Professor is a person with a Doctorate Degree. Associate Professors can have a Masters Degree.

Oh well, I am sure we'll hear an interesting explaination from someone at Invicta, unless by some happening this issue will just go-away.

BC

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Originally Posted by RLFierro Slow down there big fella, you'll notice the question marks at the end of correct, indicating that it's in fact a question. The incorrect! on your part was a bit over the top. That being said, if he has the credentials to TEACH then I would think he can tell glass from rock. please accept my apology if the exclamation point eroded your very fragile and thin skin. in a court of law and subsequently in the court of public opinion not everybody that teaches a subject has distinguished himself as a recognized expert. geology is a science that requires many years of study to master so your comments regarding glass from rock are rather flippant.

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MOP stickers, rare exotic sandstone, white glove service, Swiss = Swiss Made, working closely with D-D, genuine diamond accents ..... and now fake sandstone. Is anyone counting? I mean, for any one of those we might say, okay, we can cut you some slack and you get a pass on that one ..... BUT, does anyone else see a consistent pattern here? It's like debacle de jour with this company, and it's really a shame because I believe that they do make some great watches, and they are actually trying to bring us quality watches at affordable prices .... for some strange reason it seems they just can't manage to tell the truth? Just say they are crystals if they are crystals, just say it is created sandstone if it is created sandstone, they would probably still sell just as many without the deception ..... although it may be unintentional, but then that's a whole different problem. __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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I'll steer away from the real or Memorex issue here...what I find fascinating is the degree that all companies go to to differentiate their products to sell more of what IMHO has been a long commodities category.

Let's count the ways: Sandstone MOP Wood Carbon Fiber Ceramic Tungsten Titanium

Stainless Steel Polycarbonate Italian Leather Swiss PVC Cables, bullets, meteorites Diamonds, crystals, rubies, sapphires Flame-Fusion, Krysterna, Hardlex Tritium Tubes, Luminova, Super Luminova, Tritnite

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I applaud the investigational queries by qwikfix, WatchYaThink, timeman and other WGs who don't just accept as fact every aspect of a sales pitch.

No matter how innocently or innocuously information about the watches we buy is dispatched, the fact is many of us have come to realize that sometimes we are given incorrect information about these watches, and that is just wrong. ~ Denise Amen Debbie, and I applaud them also. We all like Invicta watches, but we want the truth about the products we are spending our money on. Deceit is not the way to do business. __________________

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I have always like the advertisement: Made with real wood. Really.

Maybe Ralph Nader should be called into this. LOL BC

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I knew I should have gotten the meteorite

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Originally Posted by mbgalg for your military service to our country i thank you but for your lack of intellect i pity you.

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Originally Posted by RLFierro You must be very lonely with that charming personality you possess.

4100 posts versus 90, who's lonely?

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Whats next their not using real steel lol. __________________

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Originally Posted by CharlieB we need to calm down fellow geeks or this thread will be no more.

Agreed Charlie.....guys lets get back to the topic here, we don't want Jim or Michael to close this down, it is a very important issue. __________________

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OP.........I apologize for stealing your thread.

On the advice of many of my fellow geeks I have pulled my comments from this thread. I will not be sucked into an argument.

To my friends that saw where this was going, thanks for the advice, I would have said something I would come to regret. __________________

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#59

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Originally Posted by CharlieB we need to calm down fellow geeks or this thread will be no more.

It'll probably end up with the DD section that magically no longer exsist. I mean really where did that whole section go?

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Originally Posted by RLFierro OP.........I apologize for stealing your thread.

On the advice of many of my fellow geeks I have pulled my comments from this thread. I will not be sucked into an argument.

To my friends that saw where this was going, thanks for the advice, I would have said something I would come to regret.

Class act, buddy.

I for one am also interested of what happens to this thread. I hope it is simply a "diamond vs. crystal" thing again, and that not all of them are like this. __________________

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Sandstone is not even considered a semi precious stone. Synthetic or natural this material has fantastic scintillation. I would cut some slack. __________________

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Today, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir watch

Sandstone is not even considered a semi precious stone. Synthetic or natural this material has fantastic scintillation. I would cut some slack.

I believe people are po'd because they were (potentially) lied to (again). __________________

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sunaru Senior Member Senior Geek

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Originally Posted by Sir watch

Sandstone is not even considered a semi precious stone. Synthetic or natural this material has fantastic scintillation. I would cut some slack.

Real or fake is not the issue here. It's the repeated lies that loyal customers are being told.

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Lets follow Rich's lead and end this before it gets out-of-hand...please... __________________

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#65

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I am by NO means an expert yet, however, I am currently finishing the forth year of my second BS degree in Geology at Utah State University so I would like to offer some comments. Please take this as my attempt to be informative and not act as a "know it all".

Sandstone is a sedimentary rock that is composed of grains that were previously eroded from other rocks - i.e igneous, feldspar, quartz, etc. and subsequently deposited, cemented or lithified (i.e. calcite cementation or extreme pressure over time). If I were to analyze this dial material I would characterize (identify) what the grains are made of, again quartz, feldspar, etc. - this is relatively easy to determine without destroying the dial (need high microscopic magnification). Additionally, a determination of the type of cementation that is holding the grains together would help determine if the material is natural versus synthetic.

Conducting this type of test is typically destructive (acid or microscopic thin section). While I have never personally seen sandstone in these vibrant colors that does NOT by mean that

they are not produced by nature. Invicta's supplier may have used a dye to create the vibrant optical effect. Occasionally geologists use dyes to help identify certain rock and mineral types. I suspect that producing sandstone dials this thin are well within the capabilities of the watch industry, but overall durability would be a function of material thickness and how it is bonded to the dial base (if this is what they have done). The origin of this raw material is should be relatively easy for Invicta to prove if they desire to do so. Then again, for a competitive advantage many companies tend to keep their material source internal (secret) for a competitive advantage. Kind Regards.

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Originally Posted by mdhorner I believe people are po'd because they were (potentially) lied to (again).

Agreed Michael, what is this now, the 5th incident? I think Larry is right a pattern has formed.......and will it ever end?????? __________________

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#67

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Originally Posted by Mark Szorik I am by NO means an expert yet, however, I am currently finishing the forth year of my second BS degree in Geology at Utah State University so I would like to offer some comments. Please take this as my attempt to be informative and not act as a "know it all".

Sandstone is a sedimentary rock that is composed of grains that were previously eroded from other rocks - i.e igneous, feldspar, quartz, etc. and subsequently deposited, cemented or lithified (i.e. calcite cementation or extreme pressure over time). If I were to analyze this dial material I would characterize (identify) what the grains are made of, again quartz, feldspar, etc. - this is relatively easy to determine without destroying the dial (need high microscopic magnification). Additionally, a determination of the type of cementation that is holding the grains together would help determine if the material is natural versus synthetic. Conducting this type of test is typically destructive (acid or microscopic thin section). While I have never personally seen sandstone in these vibrant colors that does NOT by mean that they are not produced by nature. Invicta's supplier may have used a dye to create the vibrant optical effect. Occasionally geologists use dyes to help identify certain rock and mineral types. I suspect that producing sandstone dials this thin are well within the capabilities of the watch industry, but overall durability would be a function of material thickness and how it is bonded to the dial base (if this is what they have done).

The origin of this raw material is should be relatively easy for Invicta to prove if they desire to do so. Then again, for a competitive advantage many companies tend to keep their material source internal (secret) for a competitive advantage. Kind Regards.

You are correct about the sandstone analysis. When this material is viewed under a microscope you can clearly see well defined patterns of triangles, and octogons. The problem is that under a microscope you can see the cross section of these shapes and they are essentially one dimensional. You would expect some if not most of these particles would be three dimensional but they are not. As for the cement there is none, just these one

dimensional specs floating in clear glass.

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#68

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This thread has got me thinking... Has anyone checked or verified to see if the Meteor Dials are real? I'm not trying to open a Pandora's Box...please understand this. But after all, after spending a certain amount of money on my collection...I which I do love to do. Plus this(forum/website) is a great way to network...I want to know if my stuff is real? __________________

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#69 Today, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikfix

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Just last Friday Eyal was asked just this question and his reply was "natural".

Naturally not real?

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#70

Today, 05:13 PM

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Who knows how it is manufactured, compressed and created into a dial????

It is most likely a form of NATURAL stone manufactured into a dial. these are some that can be purchased http://www.hktdc.com/sourcing/produc...cessories.htm#

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#71 Today, 05:14 PM

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The last Invicta watch (es) that I purchased were the Speedway Elite w/"D.D." mov't. I sent both back for a refund. Neither Invicta, nor the Shop, offered us the opportunity to repurchase these watches once they were repaired. That was the last Invicta watch that I

purchased. Even when I see an Invicta aired that I would like I think of that experience I simply can not purchase that Invicta. This feeling has not wavered or dulled.

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Where does this end? What about the watches that are supposed to have "high quality natural" sapphire,tsavorites & mozambique garnets, and ruby bezels? __________________ Collecting Value, One Invicta At A Time!

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#73 Today, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by invictaisthebestwatch In before thread is locked!

Hahahahaha! Too funny.

And yes here we go again. If you like it, like it, stop trying to disprove it. Now if, and I stress if, eyal lied that isn't right, but it could have been a simple misunderstanding or an explanation needed. Either way I could care less, unless he lied of course and only he knows that answer __________________

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Sir watch Senior Member Senior Geek

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Originally Posted by sunaru Real or fake is not the issue here. It's the repeated lies that loyal customers are being told.

Sorry, I am not knowledgeable of this issue. I am relatively new here and do not watch these programs with any regularity. I basically go on ShopNBC.com site and buy what I like.

I was just responding to the look of what is used in this timepiece and the common Sedimentary rock Sandstone. __________________

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Originally Posted by WatchGeek4Life

Agreed Michael, what is this now, the 5th incident? I think Larry is right a pattern has formed.......and will it ever end??????

And let's not forget that outside of this forum very few consumers hear about any of this....... __________________

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Dave, a gemologist described it under a microscope as one-dimensional triangle and octagon specs floating in glass ..... from what part of that description do you conclude that it is "most likely a form of NATURAL stone" ?? Sounds to me more like a metal flake paint job. __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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Originally Posted by the watcher "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...Bill "slick willy" Clinton. And so it goes........???????? of mass destruction in Iraq.

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qwikfix Senior Member Veteran Geek

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Dave, a gemologist described it under a microscope as one-dimensional triangle and octagon specs floating in glass ..... from what part of that description do you conclude that it is "most likely a form of NATURAL stone" ?? Sounds to me more like a metal flake paint job.

The man who gave his opinion on this material is a geologist and his title starts with Doctor.

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Originally Posted by WatchGeek4Life

Amen Debbie, and I applaud them also. We all like Invicta watches, but we want the truth about the products we are spending our money on. Deceit is not the way to do business.

My thought is, let's be fair, someone break open their SL sandstones and have them tested.

Seems like we are picking on the big guy here. Keep in mind I have no investment in either company or any sandstone watches. But calling eyal a liar over and over again, well, becomes uninteresting and tedious __________________ - Family, that's what's up - Black Eye Dye

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Some of this is rather curious to think about, but I own a Classique Pinnacle w/ the midnight blue sandstone, and you know what? The watch is gorgeous. Even if it is the Goldstone that Timeman posted pics of, it's still gorgeous. I would be interested to see what Invicta says about this, if anything, but I will still love and wear my Pinnacle either way...who knows?

The information does sound compelling that something stinks here, but hopefully one of our big-wigs here will step forward and give some information on this...? __________________ Even a broken watch is right twice a day. With a 5-year warranty, I'd rather get it fixed!

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#81 Today, 05:28 PM Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: THA BRONX Posts: 376

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Originally Posted by Sir watch Sorry, I am not knowledgeable of this issue. I am relatively new here and do not watch

these programs with any regularity. I basically go on ShopNBC.com site and buy what I like. I was just responding to the look of what is used in this timepiece and the common Sedimentary rock Sandstone. well just stick around and keep reading you be able to make your own assessment soon enough.. welcome to the board..

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I buy what I like and like what I buy. I'm not buying to make a profit and to have them and save them to see if later on there worth more $$$. I dont even sell my watches, think about selling or even think about trading them. I keep all my watches. But the botom line is...I want to make sure what I buy is real. So I trust Eyal, Jim and Mike if and when they tell me what the product is. But in what evewr I buy...what ever it is. A car, house, or a watch...I just to make sure I'm buying the real deal. __________________

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I guess that there is a reason I do not have any of the watches that contain these erroneous elements: I have simple tastes and most of the high-end, cool watch elements don't sing to me. In the case of all the Invicta issues, I guess that that makes me lucky as I have yet to be affected by them.

This saddens me, non the less, for those who have. __________________

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Does this mean, Invicta is using fake Stainless Steel lol. __________________

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Man, this is better than the Friday night fights...... ... I suppose the next shop NBC show will feature michael stapped into a lie detector,....stay tuned

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wow, if this is true for invicta I wonder About Swiss Legend. Could this be intentional or were the watchmakers also fooled. If this is factual I think those that bought with the understanding this was a natural formation should be offered their money back or some attorney will look into a class action suit I would imagin.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink MOP stickers, rare exotic sandstone, white glove service, Swiss = Swiss Made, working closely with D-D, genuine diamond accents ..... and now fake sandstone. Is anyone counting? I mean, for any one of those we might say, okay, we can cut you some slack and you get a pass on that one ..... BUT, does anyone else see a consistent pattern here?

It's like debacle de jour with this company, and it's really a shame because I believe that they do make some great watches, and they are actually trying to bring us quality watches at affordable prices .... for some strange reason it seems they just can't manage to tell the truth? Just say they are crystals if they are crystals, just say it is created sandstone if it is created sandstone, they would probably still sell just as many without the deception ..... although it may be unintentional, but then that's a whole different problem. how about adding the invicta impact boxes to that list. arent they in litigation over those? __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they?

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#88

Today, 05:50 PM

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Considering sandstone is used often for silica to make glass this isn't remotely surprising.

Technically if they used sandstone to make the glass dial, dyed it which it is since there really isn't natural blue sandstone. Then they can say they used natural sandstone to make the dial. Sandstone isn't remotely hard to find, is used in building and paving constantly. To be honest it's not remotely valuable. At all. Unbelievably plentiful. Much like lab-created rubies and sapphires you can actually make gems with heat in a lab. This is probably the same concept and a technicality which they can say it is natural sandstone. They used the sandstone to make glass ornaments basically.

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#89

Today, 05:58 PM

407guy

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Originally Posted by The Watch Whisper But the botom line is...I want to make sure what I buy is real. So I trust Eyal, Jim and Mike if and when they tell me what the product is. But in what evewr I buy...what ever it is. A car, house, or a watch...I just to make sure I'm buying the real deal.

Using your post and not picking on you, but you make a good point here. If you are buying a house for $10,000 that is supposedly valued (i.e. MRSP) at $100,000 shouldn't that raise a red flag regarding the price you're paying?

What I mean is there has to come a point when you (any buyer) should be thinking.... how is possible that I get W, X, Y and Z in this watch that supposedly retails for $3,000 and FOR TONIGHT ONLY it's $198.76?

Yes, it will be sad if this is another situation where Invicta says one thing and it's not true.

I feel for anyone who has purchased this watch and must be thinking, "what did I pay for?"

It has to suck.

Peace.

. __________________

Current rotation: Rolex Submariner, Breitling Chrono Avenger M1, TAG Heuer Formula 1, Lum-Tec Bull45, Chase-Durer Air Assault, Citizen (several), Seiko (several), Timex Ironman, G-Shock and Invicta (several).

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#90

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I was really looking at the reddish sandstone a few nites ago on SNBC. So...it's NOT sandstone?

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#91

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My thought is, let's be fair, someone break open their SL sandstones and have them tested.

Seems like we are picking on the big guy here. Keep in mind I have no investment in either company or any sandstone watches. But calling eyal a liar over and over again, well, becomes uninteresting and tedious Adam may be correct about that, but I honestly think Eyal can take it. I also don't see anyone here attempting to deny him, or his representatives, every opportunity to address the question in any manner they deem fit......and if they so choose.

While I have no dog in this hunt, I do consider myself an interested observer in it. With that said, I personally would like to see at least some official response at some point by Invicta.

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#92

Today, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikfix A friend sent me a dial, movement and caseback from a Blue sandstone Invicta Model number 0050 and asked if I could have it examined by an expert. Today I met with a geologist at an area college and he informed me that no the dial was not natural sandstone and that it was probably glass with manmade grown crystals inside (you know the sparkly stuff). After my lesson in sandstone formation and observing the dial under a microscope I too am convinced that this dial is in no way natural by any stretch of the imagination. Just last Friday Eyal was asked just this question and his reply was "natural". My only question is why?

Against my better judgement I'm going to ask a few questions.

1. Why did you friend send you parts of a watch?

2. Why did he want you to verify what the dial was made of?

3. Can you verify that the dial actually came from the watch in question? I ask this because the watch was disassembled.

4. Are you going to post pictures of the watch parts?

5. Are you going to post a copy of the report?

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I don't have an opinion on the matter and I

haven't taked sides.

Thank you.

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#93

Today, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge Considering sandstone is used often for silica to make glass this isn't remotely surprising.

Technically if they used sandstone to make the glass dial, dyed it which it is since there really isn't natural blue sandstone. Then they can say they used natural sandstone to make the dial. Sandstone isn't remotely hard to find, is used in building and paving constantly.

To be honest it's not remotely valuable. At all. Unbelievably plentiful. Much like lab-created rubies and sapphires you can actually make gems with heat in a lab. This is probably the same concept and a technicality which they can say it is natural sandstone. They used the sandstone to make glass ornaments basically.

Not calling you out on your post, I am sincerely not.

Following the "technicality" concrete would be considered natural since the components in it are natural; originally quicklime, volcanic ash and pumice (as used by the Romans) and modified over time but should concrete be called "natural" just because its components are?

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Didn't take it bad or get offended 407Guy. The only reason I bring this up in most cases the manufactor/company/retail store would also include a certificate of some kind to prove the item is genuine. __________________

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NG111 Senior Member Master WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by invictaisthebestwatch In before thread is locked! +1

Hilarious post, btw!

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Today, 06:15 PM

curiousgeorge Senior Member Master WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by new2watches Not calling you out on your post, I am sincerely not.

Following the "technicality" concrete would be considered natural since the components in it are natural; originally quicklime, volcanic ash and pumice (as used by the Romans) and modified over time but should concrete be called "natural" just because its components are?

Your points are pretty much what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is this would be a likely answer from the company. It would be interesting if we ever get a response on this one.

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#97

Today, 06:19 PM

new2watches Senior Member Senior Geek

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge Your points are pretty much what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is this would be a likely answer from the company.

I'm with ya George.

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#98

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Originally Posted by Genezilla Against my better judgement I'm going to ask a few questions.

1. Why did you friend send you parts of a watch?

2. Why did he want you to verify what the dial was made of?

3. Can you verify that the dial actually came from the watch in question? I ask this because the watch was disassembled.

4. Are you going to post pictures of the watch parts?

5. Are you going to post a copy of the report?

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I don't have an opinion on the matter and I

haven't taked sides.

Thank you.

Best post on this thread Gene! Who actually knows where the aforementioned dial or any other parts came from? __________________

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#99 Today, 06:20 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 3,154 Real Name: Nate

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Originally Posted by RLFierro OP.........I apologize for stealing your thread.

On the advice of many of my fellow geeks I have pulled my comments from this thread. I will not be sucked into an argument.

To my friends that saw where this was going, thanks for the advice, I would have said something I would come to regret.

You are just a big bully, Rich.

LOL

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#100

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Originally Posted by Genezilla Against my better judgement I'm going to ask a few questions.

1. Why did you friend send you parts of a watch?

2. Why did he want you to verify what the dial was made of?

3. Can you verify that the dial actually came from the watch in question? I ask this because the watch was disassembled.

4. Are you going to post pictures of the watch parts?

5. Are you going to post a copy of the report?

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I don't have an opinion on the matter and I haven't taked sides.

Thank you.

YOWZA __________________

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Best post on this thread Gene! Who actually knows where the aforementioned dial or any other parts came from?

Thanks Rick.

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#102

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Meteorite dials will typically all have a distinct crystal pattern or crystal "signature" that is accentuated by an acid wash after thin sectioning the material. In a general sense all of these dials should have a "family" resemblance as the material is originating from the same space rock - i.e Gibbon? This distinct crystal structure can be seen under a microscope or as is the case with the said dials by eye since these crystals are macroscopic - hence the

interest and beauty. Additionally, this material will also have a distinctive and somewhat consistent mineral identity - percent iron, percent nickel, organics, etc. This of course requires sophisticated equipment and in some cases a destructive wet chemical analysis to prove or disprove. Once again, if Invicta chooses to share the provenance of this material it will be relatively easy for them to do so. Personally, if I sold watches with these types of materials I would include a certificate of authenticity to satisfy the collectors and general customers. I know that other watch manufactures offer these types of dials, but I do not know if they provide a document proving that they are indeed authentic as sold. I hope that they are real and that anyone that has purchased them or plans on doing so enjoys them for what they are. Take Care.

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qwikfix Senior Member Veteran Geek

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Originally Posted by Genezilla Against my better judgement I'm going to ask a few questions.

1. Why did you friend send you parts of a watch?

2. Why did he want you to verify what the dial was made of?

3. Can you verify that the dial actually came from the watch in question? I ask this because the watch was disassembled.

4. Are you going to post pictures of the watch parts?

5. Are you going to post a copy of the report?

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I don't have an opinion on the matter and I haven't taked sides.

Thank you.

1. He broke open the watch because he did not believe it was genuine sandstone.

2. After he inspected it he thought it was glass and others questioned his judgement and

since he does not live close to any available experts I volunteered to have this done to satisfy my own curiosity.

3. Well the watch dial did have Invicta on it.

4. He has the original pics of him disassembling the watch and I could probably post them with his permission.

5. There is no hardcopy in existence. The geologist stated that he could not provide written documentation because he is forbidden by the college to do so. I

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#104

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Can't wait to see how this turns out.

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#105 Today, 06:28 PM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Braintee, MA. Posts: 13,095 Real Name: Rick

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Originally Posted by qwikfix 1. He broke open the watch because he did not believe it was genuine sandstone.

2. After he inspected it he thought it was glass and others questioned his judgement and since he does not live close to any available experts I volunteered to have this done to satisfy my own curiosity.

3. Well the watch dial did have Invicta on it.

4. He has the original pics of him disassembling the watch and I could probably post them with his permission.

5. There is no hardcopy in existence. The geologist stated that he could not provide written documentation because he is forbidden by the college to do so. I You can say it all you want, we want actual documented proof, video etc..... Come on, how are we supposed to actually believe this? I can say i banged Rihanna rite now, without proof, the whole forum would laugh at me. __________________

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Z, you might be right, it could well be that man made sandstone actually has more sparkle

and looks better and natural sandstone would look ..... but, how it looks is not actually the point, is it?

Real / Natural sandstone is not man made. __________________

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#107

Today, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up You can say it all you want, we want actual documented proof, video etc..... Come on, how are we supposed to actually believe this? I can say i banged Rihanna rite now, without proof, the whole forum would laugh at me.

No way Rick!!! You lucky son of a gun! __________________

A flush always beats a straight unless the guy with the straight carries a gun. Norman Chad

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#108

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Can anybody that purchased one of the sandstone dial watches tell us if it mentions sandstone on the back of the watch? I ask because Renato does it with their Onyx dial watches. __________________

It is with our judgments as with our watches: no two go just alike, yet each believes his own...Alexander Pope

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Originally Posted by mbgalg is this geologist a professor with an advanced degree? i'm not sure what constitutes expert in this area but it sure sounds like pretty incriminating evidence that we are being lied to. personally i couldn't care less whether its sandstone, meteorite or petrified whale terd just be honest. i don't know how far you want to take this but would this geologist be willing to write a short note as to his or her findings? it really isn't worth the negative energy.

But how would we know if it was petrified whale turd or petrified shark turd? Any marine biologists out there?

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#110

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@ Rick.......You Stud you!!!! __________________

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#111 Today, 06:33 PM

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Hey Slomo, you gonna get a pat on the back from Alain for this? WatchLords in the house guys. __________________

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Thanks Mark...(the explanation on meteor) It's just now a days with so many ways of faking, dupicating, maunfactoring everything...and I mean everything. We all have to be carefull whats out there and whats real and whats not? __________________

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#113

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up You can say it all you want, we want actual documented proof, video etc..... Come on, how are we supposed to actually believe this? I can say i banged Rihanna rite now, without proof, the whole forum would laugh at me.

NOW I'M NOT TAKING SIDES!!!!

But Rick can we disprove what he's saying?

Btw, is Rihanna any good in bed? I've heard conflicting reports

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#114 Today, 06:35 PM

strutn45 Senior Member True WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Hey Slomo, you gonna get a pat on the back from Alain for this? WatchLords in the house guys.

LOL... How bout geeknomo?? __________________ "WHO DAT"

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#115

Today, 06:36 PM

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After reading through this thread I had my jeweler disassemble both my MOP escursion and my sun-ray dial venom chrono and had the dials sent to Sal's community College/Hair Salon testing lab (back room) and it was determined that not only is there no natural sunlight in the sun-ray but the "of pearl" is only "uncle" at best and nowhere near being "mother". My only consilation was when I was told that the cost of MOP, UOP, natural sandstone, unnatural sandstone, sun-ray, and sunless-ray were all within a few dollars of each other, and I am no less happy with the looks and performance of my watches and I've never met anyone but a WG, that cared or knew the difference, I would keep my collection. Anyone getting the picture here? Pump your brakes Geeks, lets just enjoy our watches. P.S. after re-assembly my Escursion now has a sunless-ray dial and my Venom now has an Uncle of Pearl dial.

Yeah, you know you want em!

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#116

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Originally Posted by 407guy Using your post and not picking on you, but you make a good point here. If you are buying a house for $10,000 that is supposedly valued (i.e. MRSP) at $100,000 shouldn't that raise a red flag regarding the price you're paying?

Most of the time, yes, but not necessarily. Foreclosure properties are dirt cheap, especially in Florida. I was just looking at a 4 yr old 3000 sf home in Cape Coral that was previously valued at $375,000. It's now bank-owned and for sale at $99,000. That price for that size home in practically brand-new condition is a great deal any way you look at it. And yes, I know watches and homes are apples and oranges. But it proves a point with regard to your belief that a low price must mean something is wrong with the product.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 407guy What I mean is there has to come a point when you (any buyer) should be thinking.... how is possible that I get W, X, Y and Z in this watch that supposedly retails for $3,000 and FOR TONIGHT ONLY it's $198.76?

For most of the examples provided, I would agree with you. But in this case, we're talking sandstone. I don't know what all is involved in making a sandstone dial, so I can't speak to the cost of doing so. But sandstone is practically everywhere, and has no intrinsic value. As someone else said, it's not even considered semi-precious. It's unlikely any manufacturer would use a very expensive fabrication process on a pretty much worthless stone. Sandstone alone doesn't justify a high price tag. So, after having said all that, my point is that no, a $198 price on a watch with a sandstone dial would not raise any red flags for me. A $198 price on a meteorite dial? You bet it would.

I think the whole point of this thread is that we were told one thing, and it appears it may not be true. Value is clearly not the issue here - it's sandstone after all. The issue is honesty and factual correctness.

I have no comment about whether this particular issue was or was not a lie, and of course we don't have all the facts as far as written geological reports, information on manufacturing processes, or what Invicta ordered from their supplier versus what was received. But a

pattern of similar occurrences has been well-established, and it obviously strikes a nerve with many members of this forum. As always, CAVEAT EMPTOR. If you're not comfortable with what's happening with one brand, there are plenty more to choose from. __________________ Quote:

Originally Posted by jskelton You will not become a ninja by wearing one. You will not become a trained soldier by wearing one. You will not become a sex-crazed spy by wearing one.....

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#117

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up You can say it all you want, we want actual documented proof, video etc..... Come on, how are we supposed to actually believe this? I can say i banged Rihanna rite now, without proof, the whole forum would laugh at me. after looking at your picture, if i was in the bedroom while you were in the sack with rihanna and i myself had the video camera i still wouldn't believe it!

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#118 Today, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mbgalg after looking at your picture, if i was in the bedroom while you were in the sack with rihanna and i myself had the video camera i still wouldn't believe it!

Dude, i'm a handsome mofo. You can't see that? I get more ass than a toilet seat. __________________

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#119 Today, 06:38 PM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Braintee, MA. Posts: 13,095 Real Name: Rick

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Originally Posted by strutn45 LOL... How bout geeknomo??

Yup, another whiny bastard who couldn't handle it here, Mr. Exe! __________________

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#120

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Dude, i'm a handsome mofo. You can't see that? I get more ass than a toilet seat. who did that song? eminem?

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#121

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Dude, i'm a handsome mofo. You can't see that? I get more ass than a toilet seat.

ROTFLMAO!

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#122

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strutn45 Senior Member True WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Yup, another whiny bastard who couldn't handle it here, Mr. Exe! Yeah, we got another one in this thread too...just sent you a PM. __________________ "WHO DAT"

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#123

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Originally Posted by mbgalg who did that song? eminem?

No his brother, Reeses Pieces. __________________

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#124

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qwikfix Senior Member Veteran Geek

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Originally Posted by Russell3 NOW I'M NOT TAKING SIDES!!!!

But Rick can we disprove what he's saying?

Btw, is Rihanna any good in bed? I've heard conflicting reports The best thing any of you can do is take your own sandstone dial watch to a geologist and have them look at it under a microscope. Maybe they can see it through the crystal. Find out for yourself what it is and draw your own conclusions.

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#125

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Originally Posted by Russell3 NOW I'M NOT TAKING SIDES!!!!

But Rick can we disprove what he's saying?

Btw, is Rihanna any good in bed? I've heard conflicting reports Agree with your point, but its like innocent until proven guilty, in my book. Lets see the proof, then tar and feather. And, yes, she's the shiznit! __________________

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quikfix, In the past, I've enjoyed your posts and I have no reason to dispute your findings. Sorry to hear this stuff...the truth can hurt, and a lot.

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#127

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Originally Posted by mbgalg after looking at your picture, if i was in the bedroom while you were in the sack with rihanna and i myself had the video camera i still wouldn't believe it!

Who cares if you believe it, as long as the tabloids do. They pay big bucks for these tapes!

And leave Rick alone - he's a STUD!!!

(Hey Rick, you can just Paypal me the $20 for saying that.)

__________________ Quote:

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#128

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Dude, i'm a handsome mofo. You can't see that? I get more ass than a toilet seat. maybe i should put my glasses on

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#129

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I will also wait to pass judgement but so far I am seeing some very valid points. I see the perspective on the unique "play on words" but one point I thought particularly interesting was the cavaet emptor perspective. I guess we will all wait and see. Should be interesting for sure. __________________ Class...Quelle heure est il? - Madame Eno (My 8th grade French Teacher)

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#130

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Originally Posted by BocephusSTL

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I think the whole point of this thread is that we were told one thing, and it appears it may not be true. Value is clearly not the issue here - it's sandstone after all. The issue is honesty and factual correctness.

Exactly. Even the $5 coaster my drink is on is sandstone and it's way bigger than any dial.

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#131

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Originally Posted by mbgalg maybe i should put my glasses on You should, cuz it seems to me you're calling me ugly. That shyt don't fly with me. Come out and say it or shut your piehole! __________________

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Originally Posted by BocephusSTL Who cares if you believe, and long as the tabloids do. They pay big bucks for these tapes!

And leave Rick alone - he's a STUD!!!

(Hey Rick, you can just Paypal me the $20 for saying that.)

the fact that you claim he's a stud and how you come about this information ain't none of my business. mbgalg View Public Profile Send a private message to mbgalg Find all posts by mbgalg Add mbgalg to Your Contacts

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#134

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Agree with your point, but its like innocent until proven guilty, in my book. Lets see the proof, then tar and feather. And, yes, she's the shiznit!

I can live with that.

You lucky Dog!

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#135

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P.S. after re-assembly my Escursion now has a sunless-ray dial and my Venom now has an Uncle of Pearl dial. Yeah, you know you want em![/quote] Yeah, but now you've voided your warranty!!

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#136

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You are welcome Wisper. I read somewhere recently that someone has even attempted to counterfeit a vintage Ferrari, did a reasonable job of it, and pocketed a ton of cash as a result of it. Take Care.

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Guys Lets Play Nice - OKay __________________

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Guys Lets Play Nice - OKay Ok, Nick. He called me ugly (just about) though. __________________

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#139

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Ok, Nick. He called me ugly (just about) though.

Well I called you a stud, but that doesn't make it true. Just kidding, Rick! __________________ Quote:

Originally Posted by jskelton You will not become a ninja by wearing one. You will not become a trained soldier by wearing one. You will not become a sex-crazed spy by wearing one.....

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#140

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Wow......... guess all I care about is if I like the watch or not. The best thing to do is just mute the TV and buy the watch you like. Oh well just my 2 cents

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timeman Senior Member True WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by Peaceful75 Some of this is rather curious to think about, but I own a Classique Pinnacle w/ the midnight blue sandstone, and you know what? The watch is gorgeous. Even if it is the Goldstone that Timeman posted pics of, it's still gorgeous. I would be interested to see what Invicta says about this, if anything, but I will still love and wear my Pinnacle either

way...who knows?

The information does sound compelling that something stinks here, but hopefully one of our big-wigs here will step forward and give some information on this...?

I doubt if Invicta will comment on this. When I bought my wife the diamond accented Invicta Classique from SNBC, that turned out to be crystals instead, Invicta or anyone associated with them spoke of it. I wrote Rebecca who is the head customer service representative of Invicta an e-mail on this. I NEVER even received an acknowledgment e-mail back NOTHING. It would be great if Invicta spoke of this, to clear this matter up. I don't think it will happen.

Hope I'm proven wrong. __________________

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Rick I think we have a winner in HTs busted lip prize. __________________

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Ok, Nick. He called me ugly (just about) though.

You are Ugly, so what? LOL like me you have been that way for some time, get over it Rick!!! __________________ Not the official Invicta complain Dept

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On one of the shows, Mike was talking about fake sandstone with Tim, and he said he thought it would just be a matter of time before a company would do that.

Now Mike and Tim I'm sure didn't know, and knowingly lied about it, but why after things were just starting to go Invicta's way with the CS and thing, it really sucks.

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Originally Posted by RipitRon You are Ugly, so what? LOL like me you have been that way for some time, get over it Rick!!!

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Originally Posted by reliefcp Rick I think we have a winner in HTs busted lip prize.

Agreed, CJ! __________________

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Fellow geeks, the issue of sandstone being natural or not is all relative.

How do you define natural? I think most of us are under the impression that 'natural' constitutes as a sandstone slice pulled directly from nature and not modified in any manner.

This is extremely naive. This probably explains why so many geeks have an issue.

What about the components of the sandstone itself? Are all the components natural? Is only one component natural? Is the color natural? Has it been dyed? Are the components natural, and the manner in which the dial is made unnatural?

Who exactly defines natural to begin with? I can't imagine there being a sanctioning body that establishes strict parameters on what exactly sandstone is, but I'm sure a geologist would tell you a different opinion.

Take this one word for example....'affordable'. How do you define affordable? It's all relative.

What's an affordable watch? Are you using some computer algorithm to determine the average income of watch buyers and the average they spend on a watch to define an 'affordable' watch?

Here's another example..... Romain Jerome... famous watchmaker that designed the Titanic DNA watch states that their watch is made from steel that built the Titanic - which isn't technically true. Technically speaking, the steel made for the DNA watch was pulled from Titanic's shipyard (Harland & Wolff), and not actually from Titanic itself. It was treated (possibly in an acid bath) but Romain Jerome won't comment on that to make the bezels appear to have an aged and weathered patina. Does this make Romain Jerome liars? ....you be the judge.

ShopNBC makes countless claims all the time that are questionable, but again, it's all relative. Invicta doesn't use top grade materials, but ShopNBC and Invicta say they do. 316L is not a top grade material. Rubber is not top grade. Using friction pins is not top grade construction. There are plenty of other maufacturers using better material. Then again..... how do you define 'top grade materials'? Encasing a watch in solid gold would be a better material over 316L from a purist point of view, but from a durability persepective, gold isn't very durable at all.

To be honest, I take what ShopNBC says and well as any other manufactuers with a LARGE grain of salt. You'd be very naive to think what they state is 100% accurate. At the very least, it's an elasticity of the truth, and a great one at that.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink .... hmmmm, makes one wonder about those original statements about how expensive and exclusive sandstone dials actually are?

Sandstone is actually very plentiful. __________________

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Originally Posted by CharlieB we need to calm down fellow geeks or this thread will be no more.

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Hey Slomo, you gonna get a pat on the back from Alain for this? WatchLords in the house guys.

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Originally Posted by strutn45 LOL... How bout geeknomo??

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandstone some reading

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Ok, the OP is a WatchLord and so is the guy he got the watch from. Take this thread for what its worth, absolutely nothing. That site has it in for everthing WG's and Jim/Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. Trust me. __________________

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I see we are back. Thread was locked down now it's reopened? __________________

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I think Invicta is losing credibility and will continue to do so until it comes clean and personally answers all allegations and makes good on any product not being produced the way it is described __________________ " If Time is Money, How come I have all the Time and still no Money? "

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Originally Posted by soundbite Can anybody that purchased one of the sandstone dial watches tell us if it mentions sandstone on the back of the watch? I ask because Renato does it with their Onyx dial watches.

OK, I just ran and took these with my cell, this is my Classique Pinnacle Sandstone, front and back. There is no mention of sandstone on the back..

__________________ Even a broken watch is right twice a day. With a 5-year warranty, I'd rather get it fixed!

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Originally Posted by 06Pastmaster I think Invicta is losing credibility and will continue to do so until it comes clean and personally answers all allegations and makes good on any product not being produced the way it is described Just like Roger Clemens...deny, deny, deny __________________

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Originally Posted by timeman I see we are back. Thread was locked down now it's reopened?

Yes, it seems so. When I first went to post my pics, it was locked, and then poof, it was opened __________________ Even a broken watch is right twice a day. With a 5-year warranty, I'd rather get it fixed!

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Ok, the OP is a WatchLord and so is the guy he got the watch from. Take this thread for what its worth, absolutely nothing. That site has it in for everthing WG's and Jim/Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. Trust me.

Bingo...haters/rejects site with nothing better to do. __________________

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Originally Posted by Peaceful75 OK, I just ran and took these with my cell, this is my Classique Pinnacle Sandstone, front and back. There is no mention of sandstone on the back..

http://www.shopnbc.com/Invicta_Men_s_or_Women_s_Classique_Pinnacle_Stainl ess_Steel_Bracelet_Watch/J179201.aspx?storeid=1&cm_re=SearchList-_-N-_N&page=LIST&category=Watches|t311&prop=Invicta|483 &catprop=483 From the renowned Classique Pinnacle collection comes a striking sandstone dial with mother-of-pearl subdials __________________

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I have many watches and none of them have dial desciptions engraved on the caseback. If they say its sandstone it better be sandstone... bottom line! __________________

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Originally Posted by timeman I see we are back. Thread was locked down now it's reopened?

Interesting. A few of the usual Invicta defenders try to hijack this thread and close it down with their typical inane off topic babble, but it comes back.

I'm impressed. __________________

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Originally Posted by Mark Szorik I am by NO means an expert yet, however, I am currently finishing the forth year of my second BS degree in Geology at Utah State University so I would like to offer some comments. Please take this as my attempt to be informative and not act as a "know it all".

Sandstone is a sedimentary rock that is composed of grains that were previously eroded from other rocks - i.e igneous, feldspar, quartz, etc. and subsequently deposited, cemented or lithified (i.e. calcite cementation or extreme pressure over time). If I were to analyze this dial material I would characterize (identify) what the grains are made of, again quartz, feldspar, etc. - this is relatively easy to determine without destroying the dial (need high microscopic magnification). Additionally, a determination of the type of cementation that is holding the grains together would help determine if the material is natural versus synthetic. Conducting this type of test is typically destructive (acid or microscopic thin section). While I have never personally seen sandstone in these vibrant colors that does NOT by mean that they are not produced by nature. Invicta's supplier may have used a dye to create the vibrant optical effect. Occasionally geologists use dyes to help identify certain rock and mineral types. I suspect that producing sandstone dials this thin are well within the capabilities of the watch industry, but overall durability would be a function of material thickness and how it is bonded to the dial base (if this is what they have done).

The origin of this raw material is should be relatively easy for Invicta to prove if they desire to do so. Then again, for a competitive advantage many companies tend to keep their material source internal (secret) for a competitive advantage. Kind Regards.

Your right about the manufacturer adding things to the gems. They say it right on the gem site and before the gem stone shows.

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#166

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Originally Posted by baker.bjs http://www.shopnbc.com/Invicta_Men_s_or_Women_s_Classique_Pinnacle_Stainl ess_Steel_Bracelet_Watch/J179201.aspx?storeid=1&cm_re=SearchList-_-N-_N&page=LIST&category=Watches|t311&prop=Invicta|483 &catprop=483 From the renowned Classique Pinnacle collection comes a striking sandstone dial with mother-of-pearl subdials Hey Baker, I'm not disputing the fact, I purchased this watch because I adore it, I was only answering the request made __________________ Even a broken watch is right twice a day. With a 5-year warranty, I'd rather get it fixed!

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Originally Posted by CharlieB Interesting. A few of the usual Invicta defenders try to hijack this thread and close it down with their typical inane off topic babble, but it comes back.

I'm impressed.

Maybe it was a consensus of minds, and our exchange of opinions was permitted to continue. __________________

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Ok, the OP is a WatchLord and so is the guy he got the watch from. Take this thread for what its worth, absolutely nothing. That site has it in for everthing WG's and Jim/Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. Trust me.

I'm lost..................what site?

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I for one hope that's not the case. If Invicta is intentionally misrepresenting the true nature of the stone, natural or man made, then it constitutes fraud. If however they purchased the dials not knowing their authenticity then that's another matter. Either way Invicta needs to set the record straight about the authenticity of all of the materials it sources, if the observation by said geologist has merit.

Jon

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Originally Posted by WatchGeek4Life

Now what!!!

First we have the swiss made issue Then we have crystals instead of diamonds and now this!!! What is next, that our Meteorite dials are not real meteorite?

I would like to hear the explanation from Invicta on this one.

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I think this answerfrom Eyal says a lot

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What other untruths are there ?

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#173

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Originally Posted by ZRXBILL I'm lost..................what site?

WatchLords. Its a site made up of banned WG members who have it in for WG's, Jim, Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. They were members here and for whatever reason(s), chose to open their site and totally talk about (all the time) and trash everything here on their site.

This will get copy/pasted on their site very shortly, i'm sure. __________________

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All that stuff has to be stabilized with acrylics weather it be vacuum through or pressed

together.

Even the green turquoise that the Shop sells on rings and jewelry is stabilized so do not think that sandstone isn't it would crumble like a house of cards if it where not.

I work with exotic materials whether it burl woods Woolly Mammoth Ivory & tooth and stones of every type lapidary is my trade. Very messy and Tuff on the lungs also So do not sweat it be happy be glad the stuff is stabilized it keeps it together and workable.

I am and I do not even own a sandstone watch.

Just someone would works it every day making fancy knives. Look at the spacer between the stag and Ironwood on the handle below... . __________________

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up WatchLords. Its a site made up of banned WG members who have it in for WG's, Jim, Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. They were members here and for whatever reason(s), chose to open their site and totally talk about (all the time) and trash everything here on their site. This will get copy/pasted on their site very shortly, i'm sure.

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All that stuff has to be stabilized with acrylics weather it be vacuum through or pressed together.

Even the green turquoise that the Shop sells on rings and jewelry is stabilized so do not think that sandstone isn't it would crumble like a house of cards if it where not.

I work with exotic materials whether it burl woods Woolly Mammoth Ivory & tooth and stones of every type lapidary is my trade. Very messy and Tuff on the lungs also So do not sweat it be happy be glad the stuff is stabilized it keeps it together and workable.

I am and I do not even own a sandstone watch.

Just someone would works it every day making fancy knives. Look at the spacer between the stag and Ironwood on the handle below... . __________________

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up WatchLords. Its a site made up of banned WG members who have it in for WG's, Jim, Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. They were members here and for whatever reason(s), chose to open their site and totally talk about (all the time) and trash everything here on their site. This will get copy/pasted on their site very shortly, i'm sure.

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Here are a couple of interesting searches Goldstone Aventurine glass and a really good one is to use google images and do a search aventurine glass watch dials.

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Originally Posted by Franky5Angels I think this answerfrom Eyal says a lot

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Your gotta be kidding me that there are no watch tech's in Fla... *** I refuse to debate this with you, that is how I run my company. When you open your own watch company feel free to run it as you like I followed the back and forth between you guys. I thought his comments were uncalled for in this type of forum. __________________

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Originally Posted by baker.bjs Just because Lords hates us doesn't mean this or any of the other issues are less real Agreed, but it brings into question what the OP is trying to say/do here. Don't you think?

There is no proof, someone you don't know posted a problem with their, excuse me, a "friend" of theirs watch that was in pieces when the OP recieved it. You are that trustworthy, right off the bat? I need proof, thats just me, i don't even own a sandstone dialed watch. __________________

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#180 Today, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandstone some reading So after reading that Sandstone is compressed water, quartz,etc. So Eyal was right natural, they didn't paint it on and put glitter in it, would be worth the same I guess, but it's not like a diamond,or gold, it is sand no big deal. Never heard any host say it was worth more just that it was beautiful, and like Midnight Sky. They all told the truth.

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Lets stay on topic and give Invicta a chance to see this thread so Eyal can answer some questions . He has been very active here as of late so give him the chance. We do not want to close the thread so stay within the TOS and have an ON TOPIC conversation. THANKS __________________

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timeman

IF it's not sandstone there is a man made substance called Goldstone that looks like this

Definition of Goldstone from wikipedia.

"Goldstone is a type of glittering glass made in a low-oxygen reducing atmophere. The finished product can take a smooth polish and be carved into beads, figurines, or other

artifacts suitable for semiprecious stone, and in fact goldstone is often mistaken for or misrepresented as a natural material."

This?

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Originally Posted by watchdude wow, if this is true for invicta I wonder About Swiss Legend. Could this be intentional or were the watchmakers also fooled. If this is factual I think those that bought with the understanding this was a natural formation should be offered their money back or some attorney will look into a class action suit I would imagin. my SL sandstone dial watch caseback reads "genuine high grade sandstone dial". My Invicta sandstone has no such inscription..........just say'n..............

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Originally Posted by soundbite Can anybody that purchased one of the sandstone dial watches tell us if it mentions sandstone on the back of the watch? I ask because Renato does it with their Onyx dial watches.

SL does, invicta..........nope.......I own both

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Originally Posted by Chief68

Lets stay on topic and give Invicta a chance to see this thread so Eyal can answer some questions . He has been very active here as of late so give him the chance. We do not want to close the thread so stay within the TOS and have an ON TOPIC conversation. THANKS Thanks Nick for keeping this thread going. Looking forward to Eyal / Invicta's response to this matter. __________________

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Wow, Sorry to see this Contoversy.

I will have to say, I NEED Documented Fact to beleive this one.

Personally, I Do NOT Think EYAL is Lying, as Some have stated.

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Originally Posted by Mark Szorik I am by NO means an expert yet, however, I am currently finishing the forth year of my second BS degree in Geology at Utah State University so I would like to offer some comments. Please take this as my attempt to be informative and not act as a "know it all".

Sandstone is a sedimentary rock that is composed of grains that were previously eroded from other rocks - i.e igneous, feldspar, quartz, etc. and subsequently deposited, cemented or lithified (i.e. calcite cementation or extreme pressure over time). If I were to analyze this dial material I would characterize (identify) what the grains are made of, again quartz, feldspar, etc. - this is relatively easy to determine without destroying the dial (need high microscopic magnification). Additionally, a determination of the type of cementation that is holding the grains together would help determine if the material is natural versus synthetic. Conducting this type of test is typically destructive (acid or microscopic thin section). While I have never personally seen sandstone in these vibrant colors that does NOT by mean that they are not produced by nature. Invicta's supplier may have used a dye to create the vibrant optical effect. Occasionally geologists use dyes to help identify certain rock and mineral types. I suspect that producing sandstone dials this thin are well within the capabilities of the watch industry, but overall durability would be a function of material thickness and how it is bonded to the dial base (if this is what they have done).

The origin of this raw material is should be relatively easy for Invicta to prove if they desire to do so. Then again, for a competitive advantage many companies tend to keep their material source internal (secret) for a competitive advantage. Kind Regards. dats right

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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge This?

The above photos are that of Goldstone and not Sandstone. Goldstone is man-made glass and contain certain metals to give the star sparkle effect. __________________

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Originally Posted by timeman The above photo is that of Goldstone and not Sandstone. Goldstone is made of glass and contain certain metals to give the star sparkle effect.

That's why I re-posted your early post so people could see it for themselves. Looks a hell of lot like what is being sold.

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I agree with Chief & Timeman... Its only right and fair to have them(the people at Invicta)reply to this discussion/topic. But after all this a forum is designed to be able to discuss these type of questions? As long as we do it in a respectfull way. __________________

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I can honestly say that I have never known of another watch company with so much controversy. I hope Eyal clears this up in a timely manner..Roy __________________ God Bless the USA

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Rick .. 50 mm and up .. Thanks for the entertaining banter, and though off topic at times your points hit the mark bro !!

Let me say this: .... well, cause I'm Mr Blue ..

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this is an interesting and humerous thread. My take is don't care if its fake, real, or some hybrid thereof, do not own any sandstone dial watches but would not hesitate in buying if I GOT THE URGE.. What caught my eye was post 39 where brother geek the watcher took a little shot at slick willy Clinton, and yes he was wearing his sandstone dial watch while enjoying the friendly advances of an "all in" admirer .

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Just saw a cool episode of "how the earth was made." the sahara has lots of sandstone and it allows water to flow through which ultimately gets trapped below ground. Maybe we should spill something on the dials and see if the cases act as aquafers.....

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GAHD! ... Now I'm wonderin' whUT Eyal's so-called "Mother-Of-PEARL" really iZ !!! ...

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show me the proof,anyone can say anything,or write anything show proof or shut up!show me that a license gemoligist signes off on that with his name,where invicta can sue them.or shut up stop being a hen and stop rumors,ts not cool with out proof

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Originally Posted by rgmb2 Just saw a cool episode of "how the earth was made." the sahara has lots of sandstone and it allows water to flow through which ultimately gets trapped below ground. Maybe we should spill something on the dials and see if the cases act as aquafers.....

Just saw the same episode

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Guys,if you purchsed the watch because you liked the design and the look I really don't see the big deal. Real sandstone,Natural sandstone,Manufactured sand stone is not going to change the value one way or the other. If you bought a 2 ct diamond for 20,000 dollars and found out it was'nt real that would be an issue. Things are said on Shop NBC to enhance the sale of what ever the product is.Remember you bought a great looking time piece at a reasonable price wear it in good health and enjoy what it is you purchased. I don't think anyone on the shop is intentionally trying to mislead you there just doing there job selling watches.just my 2 cents. __________________ Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't.

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So almost 200 posts and still no proof..........hummmmmm........ __________________

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Lets not jump to quick conclusions gentlemen ....

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Proof would be in order. __________________ "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It"

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Originally Posted by oceanghost39 show me the proof,anyone can say anything,or write anything show proof or shut up!show me that a license gemoligist signes off on that with his name,where invicta can sue them.or shut up stop being a hen and stop rumors,ts not cool with out proof AMEN, Bro!!

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Originally Posted by qwikfix What proof would be adequate? And more importantly how would this proof personally affect you?

Perhaps the Gemologist can write a certification to this effect. Otherwise there is no point bringing this subject up except to create a problem.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink You don't consider a microscopic analysis of an actual Invicta dial by a geologist to be proof?

Not without documentation. Otherwise it is hearsay, and assumption. Put your name and reputatuion to it, like you've done to Jim, Eyal, and Michael. And don't hide your name.

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Originally Posted by rottieluv I applaud the investigational queries by qwikfix, WatchYaThink, timeman and other WGs who don't just accept as fact every aspect of a sales pitch.

No matter how innocently or innocuously information about the watches we buy is dispatched, the fact is many of us have come to realize that sometimes we are given incorrect information about these watches, and that is just wrong. ~ Denise What's wrong, is to bring a thing like this to light without evidence. You've planted a seed on this forum, and cannot back up your claim. Once again, you've outed yourselves and your intentions, without a backup.

Let's see if this really requires a response. It doesn't for me.

I did not buy a watch to see if what the salesman said was true.

I did not buy a watch to try to prove something that may not be true.

What a waste of money and time.

I read every post before mine, and I have much more to say.

I'll put it in terms that most here can understand.

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Originally Posted by 50mm&up Ok, the OP is a WatchLord and so is the guy he got the watch from. Take this thread for what its worth, absolutely nothing. That site has it in for everthing WG's and Jim/Michael, Invicta and Shopnbc. Trust me.

What's sad is that the other site has been going on about this watch that some hater tore apart for weeks. They were even more upset that none of use had mentioned it.

This thread is a plant. It is meant to get us worked up so that the other site can post "OUR THREAD" and make fun of us.

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I dont own the watch, but when I initially saw the price I was confused.

When the Reserve Titanium Lupah launched the cost (around $1000 if I remember) was

justified by the high end Seiko movement, Ti case and the dial (expensive and rare Sandstone or Meteorite) How did things change in less the a year to in price and availability to offer a watch for 1/10 the cost (albeit with a less expensive case and movement)

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Perhaps they're operating with a less expensive cost, and a lower profit margin, so they can get you the watch you want.

Eyal's bee saying for a while, that he is trying to get the csts down, so you can have the value you want.

I was listening, and got some great deals. __________________

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This thread has gotten very long, very quickly. I apologize for not being here earlier.

I don't know where each brand is sourcing their dial materials for the sandstone offerings, but I have never been able to see a difference between Invicta, Swiss Legend, or the Tourneau branded watches I have held. There could be 10 sources or only one... not sure.

As far as it being misunderstood and actually being Goldstone, I also cannot answer, although both examples posted in the first page do look very much like what we've been seeing in all of these watches.

Whatever the case, I will be asking as well. If I was given wrong information, I want to know about it.

Eyal has been notified about this topic and we should hopefully get a response for you soon.

I will also be talking to Lior since he too works with Sandstone dials, and to my eye, they appear to be identical in every respect.

All I know is that various Sandstone dial watches have gone through my hands, Lior's hands, Eyal's hands, and Juan Lopez-Davies... and I don't know that any of us have had any reason to question their validity... but if there is a story here, we would all want to know about it. I don't mention Lior and Juan to connect them to this situation, but rather to exhibit that more than just Invicta uses this material, and I don't see a visual difference.

I have also shown the Sandstone chunk on-air a few times, and one side was polished (the rest was left natural), and that polished area of the large chunk looked identical to the dial in the watch I displayed... so again, no reason to believe anything except it would be authentic.

Let's not get carried away with accusations, conspiracy theories, or angry words until we have more information. I also believe we would benefit from actual documentation from this geologist to back up the 1st side of this story so that we have both sides under equal

scrutiny with hopes that we can get a definite answer quickly, and the outcome is clear. __________________

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Originally Posted by jskelton This thread has gotten very long, very quickly. I apologize for not being here earlier.

I don't know where each brand is sourcing their dial materials for the sandstone offerings, but I have never been able to see a difference between Invicta, Swiss Legend, or the Tourneau branded watches I have held. There could be 10 sources or only one... not sure.

As far as it being misunderstood and actually being Goldstone, I also cannot answer, although both examples posted in the first page do look very much like what we've been seeing in all of these watches.

Whatever the case, I will be asking as well. If I was given wrong information, I want to know about it.

Eyal has been notified about this topic and we should hopefully get a response for you soon.

I will also be talking to Lior since he too works with Sandstone dials, and to my eye, they appear to be identical in every respect.

All I know is that various Sandstone dial watches have gone through my hands, Lior's hands, Eyal's hands, and Juan Lopez-Davies... and I don't know that any of us have had any reason to question their validity... but if there is a story here, we would all want to know about it. I don't mention Lior and Juan to connect them to this situation, but rather to exhibit that more than just Invicta uses this material, and I don't see a visual difference.

I have also shown the Sandstone chunk on-air a few times, and one side was polished (the rest was left natural), and that polished area of the large chunk looked identical to the dial in the watch I displayed... so again, no reason to believe anything except it would be authentic.

Let's not get carried away with accusations, conspiracy theories, or angry words until we have more information. I also believe we would benefit from actual documentation from this geologist to back up the 1st side of this story so that we have both sides under equal scrutiny with hopes that we can get a definite answer quickly, and the outcome is clear.

A very fair, reasonable and informative response. __________________

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Originally Posted by MathGeek What's sad is that the other site has been going on about this watch that some hater tore apart for weeks. They were even more upset that none of use had mentioned it.

This thread is a plant. It is meant to get us worked up so that the other site can post "OUR THREAD" and make fun of us.

I too believe this to be true, at least at its Genesis....

But if it turns out that we needed to take a closer look here, then I am appreciative. I only hope that we're not taking all this time chasing our tails.

The OP of this topic (at the other forum) was someone I spent considerable time helping on a personal level, and as far as I know has quit smoking because of the time I spent helping him and providing info for him, so hopefully he remembers this and is actually trying to do something helpful rather than vindictive here...

Of course many of my haters got a lot out of me on a personal level before turning around and taking their turn piling on, so what's one more? I suppose I should have always stuck to my "job" and never helped anyone, or offered up any of my personal time for their benefit, and maybe their expectations would not have gotten so high.

But that's a separate issue really, and not on topic. __________________

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Jim I'm glad you're on this and we all look forward to the facts. Thanks again.

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Rick, don't bother getting all worked up over this issue. You'll only get agita and you can't win with some of these people. The truth will come out either way. The haters will continue to hate, but we can go on loving our collections. __________________

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Jim, Thanks for taking a leadership position on this issue. You have always conducted yourself to find the truth in any matter that evokes controversy, misunderstanding, inaccuracies, non truths, and the like

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Although I don't own and never will own a sandstone dial it is very interesting subject and it is also refreshing to see ownership of this forum to come in so even keeled and say that he is going to look into it further.

Thanks jim __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they?

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There's no question in my mind that Jim and the whole Invicta team will tell us exactly what the reality is. __________________

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Just provide proof when making a claim like this. It is one thing to make a statement or call into question the sandstone being real but when you start making claims and saying they are true without physical proof you really are not accomplishing anything productive on this fourm! __________________ If it don't make dollaz...Then it don't make sense!

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Not the original topic but have both of Lior's Tungsten Sandstone dials and I LOVE them the blue and red (really a cinnamon brown) if I find they are not real sandstone I will ...keep my watches and love them anyway! But the SWI actually SAY sandstone on the dial so I will believe this to be true until told otherwise. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834

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Just like I don't want to see people wantonly bashing Invicta, I don't want to see any more bashing of John for posting this.

I do hope that John will provide some documentation because this is a serious allegation, but no one should feel the need to go off on him. He has a right, like everyone else, to express himself on the forum as long as it stays within the rules. __________________

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Yes and for the op to take it to a guy that "cannot document because the school won't let him" well in my opinion if you are going to make these type of claims then lay down the cash and do the proper thing and take pics and take the dial to someone who can document the results. Don't just come in here with your flamethrower. __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they?

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Originally Posted by CharlieB There's no question in my mind that Jim and the whole Invicta team will tell us exactly what the reality is.

Agree & Thank you Charlie !!!

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Jim, I completely agree with you. In my first post I asked for documentation, pics, etc. as I tried to keep an open mind.

Of course some people think I have an open mind because I have holes in my head but that's a whole other issue.

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My wife says My head's full of Rock.

Of course, it's Natural Sandstone.....

I know the difference, __________________

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