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I am not knocking you if you enjoy the plating meterite dials but I ask " Why would you want to plate a meteorite dial?.........whats next?........covering a diamond?........wouldnt you want the beauty of the natural meteorite?.......it could be anything under the plating....who knows?......maybe its just me!

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Alex, my thoughts exactly!!

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Yep, leave those things alone! Although, the black dial looked great.......;~)) __________________

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I agree, the natural meteorite material is beautiful.....that said,

There are other collectors that do like the exclusivity of the other meteorite dial colors, they all just about sold out.. so there is a market for them __________________ " Next hour I will whip something out your all gonna want to get your hands on" ; (quote from Jim Skelton, 05/14/09, 0144hrs.)

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Quote: Originally Posted by chronoAlex I am not knocking you if you enjoy the plating meterite dials but I ask " Why would you want to plate a meteorite dial?.........whats next?........covering a diamond?........wouldnt you want the beauty of the

natural meteorite?.......it could be anything under the plating....who knows?......maybe its just me!

The beauty of the Gibeon Meteorite.

Learn About the Gibeon Meteorite

Basic Information Location: Great Namaqualand, Namibia, Africa. Latitude 25 degrees 20 minutes South, Longitude 18

degrees East.

Structural Class: Fine octahedrite, Of, Widmanstatten bandwidth 0.3 Âą0.5 mm.

Chemical Class: Group IVA, 7.93% Ni, 0.41% Co, 0.04% P, 2.0 ppm Ga, 0.12 ppm Ge, 2.3 ppm Ir. Time of Fall: In prehistoric times--we are looking for a better estimate. If you have one, then send it to us.

Location Map Here is a map showing where the Gibeon strewn field is located: History The Gibeon Meteorite was first reported by Capt. J.E. Alexander in 1838. He heard of masses of native iron up to two feet square on the east side of the Great Fish River. While he did not see the masses himself, he was able to obtain samples for analysis. Undoubtedly, the natives in the area were previously aware of these occurrences, since they were found on the surface.

In the years following, Europeans established large cattle ranches in the area and recovered many more large meteorites. A 232 kg mass was recovered in 1857. Many masses between 100 and 500 kg were recovered in the years shortly after 1900. As late as the publication of the Handbook of Iron Meteorites in 1975, scientists were reporting the that Gibeon consisted primarily of large masses and lacked the smaller pieces like those found at Canyon Diablo, Odessa, and Sikhote-Alin. Buchwald speculated that greater knowledge might reveal smaller specimens or that smaller fragments may have been collected by natives and made into tools. It seems that lack of knowedge may have been the answer. In the past year or two increasing numbers of small Gibeon Meteorites have been exported. It may be that with modern metal detection equipment meteorite hunters will locate a substantial number of smaller specimens. Composition and Mineralogy The chemical composition of the Gibeon is: 90% iron 8% nickel

0.4% cobalt 0.04% phosphorus.

The minerals in the Gibeon are: Kamacite, taenite make up 99%+ of the meteorite Troilite (an iron sulfide) is common as nodules and in recrystallized forms.

Chromite (chrome oxide) is found occasionally Daubreelite is found in the kamacite.

Enstatite (a silicate mineral--pyroxene) is rare.

Tridymite (a silicate mineral) is rare.

Click on the mineral to find out more about its composition and how to identify it in a specimen. Minerals that are probably not found in the Gibeon are: Schreibersite (iron phosphate) a hard mineral that ruins saw blades.

Graphite Cohenite (iron carbide) is even harder than schreibersite. Impact of the Gibeon The Gibeon was apparently a large meteorite that burst high in the atmosphere, as did the observed fall at Sikhote-Alin. The fragments collected show some of the same characteristics as the Sikhote-Alin specimens. Some pieces show shrapnel-like features and "cold working" (bending and hammering-like deformation). Other specimens show regmaglypts that look very similar to Sikhote specimens.

Here is a black and white photograph of a Gibeon that displays well-developed regmaglypts:

The photo is of the 350 kg Lichtenfels mass which is exhibited at the Max Planck Institute in Heidelberg, Germany. This, as much of the other information in this article, is from Handbook of Iron Meteorites by Vagn Buchwald, U. of California Press, 1976.

The Gibeon fragments are spread over a strewn field 70 miles (120 km) wide by 230 miles (390k km) long--one of the largest strewn fields in the world. No Gibeon craters have yet been identified.

When Did the Gibeon Fall The Gibeon fell in pre-historic times.

How Old Is the Gibeon

Radiometric dating places the age of crystallization of the iron-nickel metal in the Gibeon at 4 billion years. Find Out More About Meteorites

These books will help you learn more about meteorites: Rocks from Space by O. Richard Norton, Mountain Press, 1994. This book covers just about every aspect of meteorites in a way that the layman can easily understand.

Meteorites & Their Parent Planets by Harry McSween, Cambridge U. Pr., 1987. Well written book for a layman with a technical background.

Handbook of Iron Meteorites by Vagn Buchwald, U. of California Press, 1976. A very complete technical description of known iron meteorites.

Let's Investigate Magical, Mysterious Meteorites by Madelyn Carlisle, Barron's, 1992. A well-done book for children-but written in a way that even adults will learn from it.

To see our meteorite classification table and learn about the types of meteorites, click here. __________________

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I agree that natural represents the material best, and that they do need to coat it with something so it won't rust (per Jim last night) But I do have green MOP dial that they must have dyed and it looks pretty cool. Nice to have choices. __________________

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I'm probably in the minority hear, but I don't find the meteorite dials to be very attractive. At least I haven't seen one yet that knocked my socks off. I'll keep an open mind, though. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by jskelton You will not become a ninja by wearing one. You will not become a trained soldier by wearing one. You will not become a sex-crazed spy by wearing one.....

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To make it different.

These were made for collectors, and in many cases these collectors will already have a couple Meteorite dial watches, so this is a departure... and more exclusive.

If you owned a watch company, you'd ALWAYS be looking for something that made your brand different, unique, special. How can you separate yourself from the other brands that have used Meteorite?? Make it somehow different and achieve something that they have tried and failed at... __________________

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I agree Jim and you still see the beautiful Meteorite dial, just in a jazzy color!!! Love it!!! __________________

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Quote: Originally Posted by chronoAlex I am not knocking you if you enjoy the plating meterite dials but I ask " Why would you want to plate a meteorite dial?.........whats next?........covering a diamond?........wouldnt you want the beauty of the natural meteorite?.......it could be anything under the plating....who knows?......maybe its just me!

Covering a diamond (in a way) is already going on - how do you think they come up with "chocolate" colored diamonds. "Enhancing" gems color or characteristics through chemical treatment, irradiation or simply crushing lesser stones, binding the slurry with epoxy and then cutting and polishing the resulting "gemstone" is the latest jewelry process. Allows many inferior gem grades to be easily and profitably marketed. No problem with this as long as "enhancement" is disclosed. __________________ They all wound - the last one kills (inscribed below a 15th century clock)

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Quote: Originally Posted by chronoAlex .......it could be anything under the plating....who knows?......maybe its just me!

Why would you be under the plating? __________________

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By the way, I really did like the bronze meteorite dial... If it was in the black PVD case & bracelet, broke or not....that would have been mine....

That is the one color combo that Eyal missed, imho __________________ " Next hour I will whip something out your all gonna want to get your hands on" ; (quote from Jim Skelton, 05/14/09, 0144hrs.)

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Quote: Originally Posted by CharlieB Why would you be under the plating?

LMAO!!!!! Both cheeks!!! __________________ " Next hour I will whip something out your all gonna want to get your hands on" ; (quote from Jim Skelton, 05/14/09, 0144hrs.)

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Quote: Originally Posted by chronoAlex I am not knocking you if you enjoy the plating meterite dials but I ask " Why would you want to plate a meteorite dial?.........whats next?........covering a diamond?........wouldnt you want the beauty of the natural meteorite?.......it could be anything under the plating....who knows?......maybe its just me!

ACTUALLY They have been radiating diamonds for years! Where do you think all those "colored" diamonds come from? __________________

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great info on the actual meteorite! thanks!

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Everybody has an opinion --- that's OK, I'll still enjoy my RARE bronze meteorite dial. __________________ WATCHES = FUN

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I think they all were pretty but the gold/silver was my favorite. I just couldn't get one

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Although rhe majority of colored diamonds are ennhanced, most if not all colors do exist naturally.

I cannot understand covering a meteorite dial with anything other than a transparent protective coating.

Covering it with something opaque defeats the whole purpose of using such an exotic dial material. Why hide the natural beauty and rarity of an object billions of years old that out of the entire universe found its way to one tiny speck in it? Can you even imagine the odds that the Gibdeon meteorite would fall on the one planet where a species would evolve into beings that comprehend the passage of time, seek to build machines to measure it, and then use it as an asthetic enhancement that also lends itself to the very idea of measuring time? It makes no sense to hide all that with IP plating. __________________

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Quote: Originally Posted by JIMZ The beauty of the Gibeon Meteorite.

Learn About the Gibeon Meteorite

Basic Information

Location: Great Namaqualand, Namibia, Africa. Latitude 25 degrees 20 minutes South, Longitude 18 degrees East.

Structural Class: Fine octahedrite, Of, Widmanstatten bandwidth 0.3 Âą0.5 mm.

Chemical Class: Group IVA, 7.93% Ni, 0.41% Co, 0.04% P, 2.0 ppm Ga, 0.12 ppm Ge, 2.3 ppm Ir. Time of Fall: In prehistoric times--we are looking for a better estimate. If you have one, then send it to us.

Location Map Here is a map showing where the Gibeon strewn field is located: History The Gibeon Meteorite was first reported by Capt. J.E. Alexander in 1838. He heard of masses of native iron up to two feet square on the east side of the Great Fish River. While he did not see the masses himself, he was able to obtain samples for analysis. Undoubtedly, the natives in the area were previously aware of these occurrences, since they were found on the surface.

In the years following, Europeans established large cattle ranches in the area and recovered many more large meteorites. A 232 kg mass was recovered in 1857. Many masses between 100 and 500 kg were recovered in the years shortly after 1900. As late as the publication of the Handbook of Iron Meteorites in 1975, scientists were reporting the that Gibeon consisted primarily of large masses and lacked the smaller pieces like those found at Canyon Diablo, Odessa, and Sikhote-Alin. Buchwald speculated that greater knowledge might reveal smaller specimens or that smaller fragments may have been collected by natives and made into tools. It seems that lack of knowedge may have been the answer. In the past year or two increasing numbers of small Gibeon Meteorites have been exported. It may be that with modern metal detection equipment meteorite hunters will locate a substantial number of smaller specimens. Composition and Mineralogy The chemical composition of the Gibeon is: 90% iron

8% nickel 0.4% cobalt 0.04% phosphorus.

The minerals in the Gibeon are: Kamacite, taenite make up 99%+ of the meteorite Troilite (an iron sulfide) is common as nodules and in recrystallized forms.

Chromite (chrome oxide) is found occasionally Daubreelite is found in the kamacite.

Enstatite (a silicate mineral--pyroxene) is rare.

Tridymite (a silicate mineral) is rare.

Click on the mineral to find out more about its composition and how to identify it in a specimen.

Minerals that are probably not found in the Gibeon are: Schreibersite (iron phosphate) a hard mineral that ruins saw blades.

Graphite Cohenite (iron carbide) is even harder than schreibersite. Impact of the Gibeon The Gibeon was apparently a large meteorite that burst high in the atmosphere, as did the observed fall at Sikhote-Alin. The fragments collected show some of the same characteristics as the SikhoteAlin specimens. Some pieces show shrapnel-like features and "cold working" (bending and hammering-like deformation). Other specimens show regmaglypts that look very similar to Sikhote specimens.

Here is a black and white photograph of a Gibeon that displays well-developed regmaglypts:

The photo is of the 350 kg Lichtenfels mass which is exhibited at the Max Planck Institute in Heidelberg, Germany. This, as much of the other information in this article, is from Handbook of Iron Meteorites by Vagn Buchwald, U. of California Press, 1976.

The Gibeon fragments are spread over a strewn field 70 miles (120 km) wide by 230 miles (390k km) long--one of the largest strewn fields in the world. No Gibeon craters have yet been identified.

When Did the Gibeon Fall The Gibeon fell in pre-historic times.

How Old Is the Gibeon Radiometric dating places the age of crystallization of the iron-nickel metal in the Gibeon at 4 billion years. Find Out More About Meteorites

These books will help you learn more about meteorites: Rocks from Space by O. Richard Norton, Mountain Press, 1994. This book covers just about every aspect of meteorites in a way that the layman can easily understand.

Meteorites & Their Parent Planets by Harry McSween, Cambridge U. Pr., 1987. Well written book for a layman with a technical background.

Handbook of Iron Meteorites by Vagn Buchwald, U. of California Press, 1976. A very complete technical description of known iron meteorites.

Let's Investigate Magical, Mysterious Meteorites by Madelyn Carlisle, Barron's, 1992. A well-done book for children-but written in a way that even adults will learn from it.

To see our meteorite classification table and learn about the types of meteorites, click here.

Thanks Jim for a great history lesson. Thats why WatchGeeks is a GREAT FORUM! __________________ MAY THE LUME BE WITH YOU! Another Day! .. Another Watch!

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Quote: Originally Posted by CharlieB Why would you be under the plating?

I think what he 's saying is there is no way to tell if it is authentic if it is plated.

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i prefer the natural color.....but i also like it in gold......thats it .... dont like any of the other colors......jmo....

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its like there are music lisnters who are purists they detone there system to make it sound as close to the origanal recording as possible and then there are those who like to overcrank the bass and wake everybody up at 11 pm or throw 11 sets of tweeters on there pillars to make there music sound like its overly metallac we are all different in the end run as lond as were happy with what we have cool its called induviduality thank god we have that to (sometimes lol) i love my ocean ghost meteriote and diaomand on gunmetal its my fav watch no matter what and i cant wait to see if invicta will do a meteriote 3 hand auto diver with silver tone meteriote. i would never buy the other colors i love the history part of it but his to his own im glad invicta did it cause its that same inovation that brings me awsome watches for 600 minus price points ya know. if u dont like it dont buy it? dr foose View Public Profile Send a private message to dr foose Find all posts by dr foose Add dr foose to Your Contacts #27 Today, 02:05 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Machester, Ct. Posts: 2,295 Real Name: Joe H

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Originally Posted by desert rex I think what he 's saying is there is no way to tell if it is authentic if it is plated.

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Yeah, it seems kind of like putting black IP plating over the top of gold? I thought there was only one other company making meteorite dials .... so as far as making it "different" ..... it's meteorite ..... it's different already. __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein