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Response from Dubuis Depraz RE:Speedway Issue
Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco From: Christopher Becker Ccadubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:17 Dear , Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from someone in New Jersey just last week. We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the following: 1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them. 2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and "opinions" notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this movement regarding the types of problems you have described. After hundreds of thousands, we think we would have by now if there were actually issues. 3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen "duplicates" of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were subject to. 4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their reaction to your email, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with the modules to determine their origin (see 3) above) and initial sales point (both of which we can do). As you and your members are surely also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and can de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly. 5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have reason to have had, any "loud conversation" with Dubois-Depraz since he is not even a customer. I would be very surprised if he or anyone from his company publicly blamed DD for something of that nature as claimed; it is not his style as I have known him.
Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information, before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network. You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping us informed of these events. Kind regards, Chris Becker Business Development Manager--Americas Dubois-Depraz SA __________________
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WOW now that is a good read ! I really have no comment im just at awe and have alot of respect for DD __________________ http://www.myspace.com/powerballn503 powerballn503
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Where did Invicta get those movements.....They seem large enough to get them straight from DD... Last edited by rice22; Today at 04:23 PM. Reason: wrong choice of words rice22 View Public Profile Send a private message to rice22 Send email to rice22 Find all posts by rice22 Add rice22 to Your Contacts #4 Today, 04:21 PM
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INTERESTING, very interesting! __________________
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It will be interesting to see if Invicta responds about the email and sends the samples. JFM View Public Profile Send a private message to JFM Send email to JFM Find all posts by JFM Add JFM to Your Contacts #8 Today, 04:25 PM
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hmmmmm, is this a genuine e-mail? I thought that Eyal said DD built and modified these movements specifically for Invicta. pirate View Public Profile Send a private message to pirate Send email to pirate Find all posts by pirate Add pirate to Your Contacts #9 Today, 04:27 PM Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Juneau, Alaska Posts: 765 Real Name: Cal
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Very Interesting Indeed... battleshipduke View Public Profile Send a private message to battleshipduke Send email to battleshipduke Find all posts by battleshipduke Add battleshipduke to Your Contacts #10 Today, 04:27 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 39
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Have we ever been led down a path! I for one thought DD was dealing with Eyal on this matter????????? dakdaddy View Public Profile Send a private message to dakdaddy Find all posts by dakdaddy Add dakdaddy to Your Contacts #11 Today, 04:28 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: California Posts: 807 Real Name: Jay Malloy
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Originally Posted by pirate hmmmmm, is this a genuine e-mail? I thought that Eyal said DD built and modified these movements specifically for Invicta. Well, there are two pretty genuine looking email addys at the top of the OP. Email them and find out. JFM View Public Profile Send a private message to JFM Send email to JFM
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just the facts, ma'am (or sir)
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Something stinks here! dakdaddy View Public Profile Send a private message to dakdaddy Find all posts by dakdaddy Add dakdaddy to Your Contacts #14 Today, 04:42 PM Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 235
freedom727 Senior Member Senior Geek
sounds like more smoke and mirrors from Invicta freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #15 Today, 04:43 PM
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Oh wow. I don't think anyone expected something like this. Interesting indeed. __________________
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Originally Posted by jskelton Hey gang. As promised, I did follow-up with Eyal on this issue. He just called me at home and we talked about it (as best as I could talk given the fact my jaw doesn't move LOL)
He flew into Minneapolis TODAY (2 days earlier than planned) to pull all Speedway inventory from ShopNBC to have sent back home to Florida for re-inspection. I had asked him to make sure that ShopNBC does not go ahead with their plans of reairing them this weekend (not all Shop departments were aware of the issue), and instead of just calling to have them cancel the airings... he freakin' FLEW HERE early to do it in person. He has had many conference calls with the folks at D-D and they are jointly looking into the issue. Invicta had several large scale projects in the works with D-D that are now ON HOLD until Eyal sees that D-D can take care of this issue. All involved believe the issue is a D-D issue. Whether or not Invicta could or could not have caught all of the defects through basic inspection aside... the problem began with how the chrono plate was built, and this was done purely by DD. Eyal is accepting fault and blame for the issues, but D-D as I understand it is owning up to their responsibilities as well, so in the end... this means we should never expect to see such an issue in the future. All of the remaining pieces ShopNBC owns will go back to Invicta in Florida, and any not passing Eyal's inspection go to D-D in Switzerland for a total rebuild so that HOPEFULLY we can offer them again in the future without worry. Eyal is not only concerned, but feels terrible about the inconvenience caused to all of you that received a bum watch. This is why he has made all Speedway Elite repairs "priority" above all others, in hopes of expediting the repair. Eyal was out of the country when these began to deliver and the problems first arose... and yes he of course has a computer, and it works out of the country... that's not the point when we say "Eyal was out of the country", the point was that he was deep in meetings morning to night (at 6 hours AHEAD of his home time zone) and delegated Rebecca and myself to talk to those having issues. He created the solution with Rebecca, Rebecca is executing his instructions, and I'm relaying all info that I possibly can to you personally. Eyal has asked me to relay his personal apologies to everyone over these issues, and hopes that he can make this up to everyone by getting to the bottom of the problem, fixing it, and moving on having learned from this experience. I hope this helps. After reading that email, is anything from the above true!?!?!??! freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #17 Today, 04:50 PM
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WOW! VERY INTERESTING.. MAKES YOU WONDER NOW BOUT ALL THE OTHER MOVEMENTS i.e. valjoux 7750... hmmmm... to be continued i guess... WiZKiD... View Public Profile Send a private message to WiZKiD... Find all posts by WiZKiD... Add WiZKiD... to Your Contacts #18 Today, 04:51 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 1,611
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It is possible then, that the movements were obtained through a third party? That could be the only explanation, which I would not call "smoke and mirrors," necessarily. I think, really, that it is possible that a "reliable source" was this time not reliable, but I woud not drag out a bucket of tar and a brush. Something isnt' quite right somewhere. JavaQueen View Public Profile Send a private message to JavaQueen Find all posts by JavaQueen Add JavaQueen to Your Contacts #19 Today, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JavaQueen It is possible then, that the movements were obtained through a third party? That could be the only explanation, which I would not call "smoke and mirrors," necessarily. I think, really, that it is possible that a "reliable source" was this time not reliable, but I woud not drag out a bucket of tar and a brush. Something isnt' quite right somewhere. wouldnt saying that invicta is working directly with DD and it turns out that DD has never even been contacted smoke and mirrors? freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #20 Today, 04:53 PM
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LOL! This ain't exactly all warm and fuzzy. More like wiggly and squirmey!
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Originally Posted by WiZKiD... WOW! VERY INTERESTING.. MAKES YOU WONDER NOW BOUT ALL THE OTHER MOVEMENTS i.e. valjoux 7750... hmmmm... to be continued i guess... especially since the chinese make an exact clone of the 7750 and many other ETA movements.... freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #22 Today, 04:54 PM
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I purchased one of the Dubois-Depraz watches and reading this makes me not want to buy a watch from Invicta ever again; as someone who purchased the watch I definetly need to know if I paid a grand for a fake dubois-depraz and if so what Invicta will do about this. Franco View Public Profile Send a private message to Franco Find all posts by Franco Add Franco to Your Contacts #23 Today, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jskelton All involved believe the issue is a D-D issue. Passing blame to an unknowing, innocent party..... freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #24 Today, 04:56 PM Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Van Nuys, CA Posts: 4,219
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It all sounds like flame (CON)fusion to me!
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to all who purchased this i fear the worse is about to come to light .... i hope this gets resloved to all of your satisfaction ..... gmen97 View Public Profile Send a private message to gmen97 Find all posts by gmen97 Add gmen97 to Your Contacts #27 Today, 04:58 PM Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 236
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Originally Posted by STILL TICKIN It all sounds like flame fusion to me! or 18kt swiss gold layering..... freedom727 View Public Profile
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Wow! That is really interesting e-mail you received there. Somehow this does not surprise me considering my latest discovery on the "SWISS" watches. __________________
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Originally Posted by Azel88 Something is rotten in Denmark i bet this thread will get shut faster that a fat man at a free buffet or maybe it will take a week to get a lawyer-written response from one of the higher ups... freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #31 Today, 05:02 PM Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hillsborough, NJ USA Posts: 503 Real Name: Mike F.
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Originally Posted by Argabright Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information, before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network. Argabright: What did you tell D-D in your original Email? __________________
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Did in fact Invicta get the movements from DD or make Clones? It kinda like their Invicta Yellow case issue were they copied it from the original manufacturer. Now it make me wonder if my SAN III 7750 is a clone movement. That could be the problems with all of the defects, which no other company seems to have with their Valjoux 7750. __________________
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So we have a statement from Eyal thru Jim, and now you. Who do I believe ? Ya know, I was going to say something about this subject. It is just not worth it anymore. It is just a watch. Leed24 View Public Profile Send a private message to Leed24 Send email to Leed24 Find all posts by Leed24 Add Leed24 to Your Contacts #34 Today, 05:04 PM
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There certainly does appear to be a disconnect between the two messages, but I don't think anyone should rush to judgement. Is it possible business developement might not know about everything that happens within a company that makes thousands if not hundreds of thousands of movements? __________________
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Originally Posted by BwatchSF There certainly does appear to be a disconnect between the two messages, but I don't think anyone should rush to judgement. Is it possible business developement might not know about everything that happens within a company that makes thousands if not hundreds of thousands of movements? It seemed pretty clear in the email that DD made sure they have their own facts straight. freedom727
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Originally Posted by freedom727 or 18kt swiss gold layering..... on the molecular level camel View Public Profile Send a private message to camel Send email to camel Find all posts by camel Add camel to Your Contacts #38 Today, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Leed24 So we have a statement from Eyal thru Jim, and now you. Who do I believe ? Ya know, I was going to say something about this subject. It is just not worth it anymore. It is just a watch. Sorry, but this is much, MUCH more than "just a watch." freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #39 Today, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by icewolf64 Wow! That is really interesting e-mail you received there. Somehow this does not surprise me considering my latest discovery on the "SWISS" watches. This is very disturbing, especially after your discovery. __________________
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Originally Posted by Leed24 So we have a statement from Eyal thru Jim, and now you. Who do I believe ? Ya know, I was going to say something about this subject. It is just not worth it anymore. It is just a watch. Thats what i say... I look at it all as food for thought! __________________ http://www.myspace.com/powerballn503 powerballn503 View Public Profile Send a private message to powerballn503 Find all posts by powerballn503 Add powerballn503 to Your Contacts #41 Today, 05:07 PM
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Could easily be a miscommunication between DD folks in Switzerland and Mr. Becker here in the US. Even Swiss firms can apply the mushroom philosophy to their own employees. You know about mushrooms don't you? Keep 'em in the dark and feed em s**t! Quite possible the former Gangzhou. China (the center for high-end replicas) watchmaker now working in Le Lieu, Switzerland wasn't fully trained before being assigned the Invicta order __________________ Roloya... the Greek word for watches roloya View Public Profile Send a private message to roloya Find all posts by roloya Add roloya to Your Contacts #42 Today, 05:08 PM
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Oh Boy this is starting to get interesting. __________________
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Could easily be a miscommunication between DD folks in Switzerland and Mr. Becker here in the US. Even Swiss firms can apply the mushroom philosophy to their own employees. You know about mushrooms don't you? Keep 'em in the dark and feed em s**t! I give Mr. Becker enough credit to contact members of his own company to get the right facts to respond to an email. His email was worded very definitively. Didn't sound like a man who doesn't know how to do his job. freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts
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Originally Posted by freedom727 It seemed pretty clear in the email that DD made sure they have their own facts straight. I feel like I should respond, but what do I say? We have two conflicting statements with no way to tell which is correct. I will not speculate further. __________________ BwatchSF View Public Profile Send a private message to BwatchSF Find all posts by BwatchSF Add BwatchSF to Your Contacts #45 Today, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom727 Sorry, but this is much, MUCH more than "just a watch." I don't get it ? What is MUCH more ? How is this so important ? Please explain the dire impact. Leed24 View Public Profile Send a private message to Leed24 Send email to Leed24 Find all posts by Leed24 Add Leed24 to Your Contacts #46 Today, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Leed24 I don't get it ? What is MUCH more ? How is this so important ? Please explain the dire impact. You mean selling people a $1000+ lie has no "dire impact." How do you expect to make any future Invicta purchases when a company is run like this. Again: much more than just a watch. Especially coming after the "Swiss" debacle.... freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #47 Today, 05:14 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,787
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Originally Posted by wmfagan Argabright: What did you tell D-D in your original Email? Not MY email. I saw it on another site. Permission was given to post elsewhere. Here was his original email request: Dear Mr. Becker,
I am writing to you to inquire if you had seen or heard of the complaints by buyers of a new Invicta watch that has been touted as using the Dubois 2021 module. If not, all of the posts, unedited by my small forum of dedicated collectors are available for viewing. It seems that the hands on the watches were mis-aligned and there were other related issues. The TV cable host of the site where these Invicta Speedway watches were sold made a big deal of the fault being that of Dubois. He went out of his way to state the owner of Invicta Watch Group would be having a "loud conversation" with Dubois Dupraz. He and the watch company have made it clear that the faults of the problems discussed are not the fault of Invicta and repeated opinions that the fault lay with your company. It was inferred by the afore-mentioned Host for Shopnbc, Jim Skelton that other unnamed watch companies had experienced similar problems with Dubois modules. As the owner of several watches with Dubois modules including a Maurice Lacroix, I would dispute that statement. I am also asking if you could provide any information as to the back-story on this issue and perhaps how Invicta came to obtain this module. The vendor made a big show on how difficult it is to obtain them and to be approved by Dubois. Of course, this same company has been forced to admit that the watches it sells with the word Swiss at the 6 oclock position have Chinese movements in them. Most of us are of the opinion that the modules or movements and modules were obtained from a third party other than Dubois and exported to the middle east. Our little forum, which has 80 core members of long time serious watch collectors has aproximatly 500 visitors a day. Not too bad for a forum which does no advertising, and limits membership to those approved by the members themselves. If you do respond, I could if permited, post the response for people to view. We are small but our reach is very long. Best regards, __________________
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Originally Posted by freedom727 wouldnt saying that invicta is working directly with DD and it turns out that DD has never even been contacted smoke and mirrors? Hate to break this to you, but since most of those TV brands outsource aspects of manufacturing, it's all "smoke and mirrors." So you never really know what the outsources do. If you want cheaper watches, this is what you get. Sorry. Not a grand conspiracy. JavaQueen View Public Profile Send a private message to JavaQueen Find all posts by JavaQueen Add JavaQueen to Your Contacts #49 Today, 05:16 PM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 18,100 Real Name: Gene
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Very interesting, sounds like something strange is going on. __________________
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Originally Posted by freedom727 You mean selling people a $1000+ lie has no "dire impact." How do you expect to make any future Invicta purchases when a company is run like this. Again: much more than just a watch. Especially coming after the "Swiss" debacle.... Once again this is not a dire impact. It is just a watch that I put on my wrist. I don't put my family within its confines and drive it at 65 miles per hour. I respect your opinion, and your right to say it, I just respectfully disagree. It is just a watch, and the word dire means that it gravely impacts my life. This issue does not.
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Originally Posted by freedom727 You make it seem like spending $1000 on junk is nothing... Now the OP is saying that the email came from a website and did not originally come to him. This email might not even be legit. My point has been made. As to your "junk" comment, my watch has been running just fine since I bought it. So as to your "junk" comment, it is your own feeling, not everyones, and certainly not mine. Leed24 View Public Profile Send a private message to Leed24 Send email to Leed24 Find all posts by Leed24 Add Leed24 to Your Contacts #52 Today, 05:25 PM
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Being the proud owner of a perfect Speedway, i will not jump to conclusions...i'll will be waiting for a response on this matter. __________________
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OMG ! Is this ture.....We have been duped. We need to hear directly from Eyal now. No more explanations from anyone,except Eyal. journeyguy View Public Profile Send a private message to journeyguy Find all posts by journeyguy Add journeyguy to Your Contacts #54 Today, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JavaQueen Hate to break this to you, but since most of those TV brands outsource aspects of manufacturing, it's all "smoke and mirrors." So you never really know what the outsources do. If you want cheaper watches, this is what you get. Sorry. Not a grand conspiracy. I believe your opinion is the most likely to be correct, but I am open to everyones opinion and anyone who can provide the real facts. (manufacturing and ASSEMBLY are outsourced by those TV brands) R __________________
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JavaQueen Senior Member Super Geek
The problem with these Internet things is that they too can be "smoke and mirrors." If you didn't see the real letter, then who knows for sure? Never trust a second or third source..Especially on the Internet. JavaQueen View Public Profile Send a private message to JavaQueen Find all posts by JavaQueen Add JavaQueen to Your Contacts #56 Today, 05:34 PM
strutn45 Senior Member True WatchGeek
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Originally Posted by freedom727 and what would you call your 9,146 posts?
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Leed24
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Originally Posted by freedom727 Comment removed by Moderator I guess I will have to cross that bridge if it comes. Every other Invicta that I have that the case has been opened has the correct movement in it. So why would I change my belief system over an email that was taken off another website and placed on Watch Geeks. This is all speculation at this point, and once again without proof or legitimate validation has done nothing but stir up anomosity again. Congratulations Leed24 View Public Profile Send a private message to Leed24 Send email to Leed24 Find all posts by Leed24 Add Leed24 to Your Contacts #58 Today, 05:34 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,413
watchluv Senior Member Super Geek
All I have to say is Eyal BUSTED. I never thought D-D had a defective module as was stated they are the best like ETA. Invicta probably got a Chinese knock off and used D-D's name to make a large profit. To all who bought the Speedway I think you were taking. Who knows if the Swiss Made watches are really Swiss Made from this. You can't believe anything Eyal says from now on. But I think this takes the case. If I were D-D I would sue Eyal for slander to their name. That is totally uncalled for. Very disturbing. If you lie once you lie twice you'll do anything. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away watchluv View Public Profile Send a private message to watchluv Find all posts by watchluv
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Time Bandit Senior Member Veteran Geek
I'm going to use a phrase that my Mother always used when she was suprised, "Holy buckets!" Time Bandit View Public Profile Send a private message to Time Bandit Send email to Time Bandit Find all posts by Time Bandit Add Time Bandit to Your Contacts #60 Today, 05:37 PM
zulumack Senior Member Senior Geek
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Originally Posted by freedom727 Sorry, but this is much, MUCH more than "just a watch." thank you. it may have to do with all sw200, v7750 and DD $$$$ zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #61 Today, 05:39 PM
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Sorry, but this is much, MUCH more than "just a watch." Yes, it's ethics pirate View Public Profile Send a private message to pirate Send email to pirate Find all posts by pirate Add pirate to Your Contacts #62 Today, 05:39 PM
powerballn503
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My thoughts... *I instantly thought the Speedway with the DD movement was a too good too be true price ! *Zero reason to discredit DD or point finger at them for anything , as all i have ever heard is they are a Top Shelf Company! __________________ http://www.myspace.com/powerballn503 powerballn503 View Public Profile Send a private message to powerballn503 Find all posts by powerballn503 Add powerballn503 to Your Contacts #63 Today, 05:39 PM
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JavaQueen Senior Member Super Geek
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Originally Posted by Leed24 I guess I will have to cross that bridge if it comes. Every other Invicta that I have that the case has been opened has the correct movement in it. So why would I change my belief system over an email that was taken off another website and placed on Watch Geeks. This is all speculation at this point, and once again without proof or legitimate validation has done nothing but stir up anomosity again. Congratulations I agree with you. Unless you actually have seen the original document and know the original recipient to a reliable source, can you really believe this to be true. JavaQueen View Public Profile Send a private message to JavaQueen Find all posts by JavaQueen Add JavaQueen to Your Contacts #64 Today, 05:39 PM Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 236
freedom727 Senior Member Senior Geek
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point proven. thanks freedom727 View Public Profile Send a private message to freedom727 Find all posts by freedom727 Add freedom727 to Your Contacts #65 Today, 05:40 PM
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LadyCopper Senior Member Master WatchGeek
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Originally Posted by JavaQueen The problem with these Internet things is that they too can be "smoke and mirrors." If you didn't see the real letter, then who knows for sure? Never trust a second or third source..Especially on the Internet. Pat on the back Java - well said. __________________ I can only hope to be the person my dog thinks I am . . . LadyCopper View Public Profile Send a private message to LadyCopper Send email to LadyCopper Find all posts by LadyCopper Add LadyCopper to Your Contacts #66 Today, 05:41 PM
Leed24
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Originally Posted by watchluv All I have to say is Eyal BUSTED. I never thought DD had a defective modual as was stated they are the best like ETA. Invicta probably got a Chinese knock off and used DD's name to make a large profit. To all who bought the Speedway I think you were taking. Who knows if the Swiss Made watches are really Swiss Made from this. You can't believe anything Eyal says from now on. But I think this takes the case. If I were DD I would sue Eyal for slander to their name. That is totally uncalled for. Very distubing. If you lie once you lie twice you'll do anything. Crimany people ! think for yourselves. Just because someone posted something on the internet ,or says it is so, doesn't make it true. Would you believe the moon is made of cheese, because someone sent an email and posted it on the internet ? This is all just SPECULATION Leed24
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strutn45 Senior Member True WatchGeek
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Jor084 Senior Member Senior Geek
So what is this other site on which this letter was posted on? __________________
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Krazy Senior Member Senior Geek
Well, I have two of these that are working so far so I'll sit tight for the moment to see Eyal's response. If we were mis-represented the goods then rest assured ShopNbc and all involved will have a long hard road ahead of them. We were informed they were legit on air and that only Dubois-Debraz was able to Eta movement so there was no imply that they were hacked together by some lesser group and purchased as such. Anything else is fraud,clear and simple! For those who like being conned, enjoy in good health but I surelly will not participate in that scenario! Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #70 Today, 05:47 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 8,081
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