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I've resisted (until now I guess) posting comments about the departure of "what's his name", and I've tried to stay positive about continuing to be a loyal buyer on the SHOP, and change is good and all that, but geez I'm tired of only hearing about the beauty and style of the watches. I can see that for myself...that's why I watch! How 'bout more on the mechanical & construction details?

Thank goodness for Michael!!!! If it wasn't for him, I'd check out!

I like all the hosts at the Shop. Most of 'em are great at selling T.V.s or mattresses, but they don't know shinola about watches.

It was the knowledge of horology (and shaved monkeys!) that snagged me about a year ago (apparently like quite a few others) and caused me to become a watchgeek.

I'm bored!! __________________

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I think your perceptions of host and vendor roles are a bit skewed. The SNBC host of the shows are not there to provide you the " mechanical & construction details" of a watch. That is what the vendor guest is there to do.

Look at it this way...when the SNBC host is doing a jewelry show for example. They are not there to explain to you the differences in the cuts of diamonds and which ones are more expensive to do than the other ones. When they are showing Indian hand made rugs, they are not there to explain to you how many hand tied knots are considered to be an excellent level for the build quality. When they are selling TVs, they are not there to explain to you the difference between LED, LCD and DLP. All of these things relate to "mechanical and construction" details of the respective products. The vendor guests are there to do that. That is why in mid July of 2009, the current executive management of SNBC laid down rules regarding how shows were to be hosted and why you almost always see a guest host on every show. Hosts have very specific duties assigned to them and that is what they are there to do. If you are looking for hosts to provide you "mechanical and construction" details of watches, you should stop watching now. It isn't going to happen. Some do know more than others when it comes to watches. When those folks are on, you get that information.

Otherwise, it is the responsibility of the vendor guest host to do that.

You, quite honestly, were spoiled by Jim. He was the only host at SNBC that was not required to sell multiple products. In the distant past, Jim did occasionally sell men's jewelry.

I know that in the almost two years we worked together, he did not do so. He would be the first one to tell you that he would be horrible at selling other things. I know this because it came up a variety of different times in conversations with him. As a matter of fact, Jim was pretty much an anomaly in the shop at home television business. Show me any other host on any just QVC, HSN or the like that sold only one out of the hundreds and hundreds of product that are sold there. It just does not happen. Jim sold one product and one product only. Other hosts in a typical one day of work sell at least 24 different items. And most of the time, those products come from completely different market segments (i.e. bedding, clothing, jewelry, beauty, household furnishings, electronics, etc.). To expect them to have the level of knowledge that Jim has on watches is just not going to happen. __________________ Michael

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I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the subject matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back to style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up! __________________

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And Michael really hits the nail on the head, in that the hosts are required to be "utility" players and "attempt" to sharpen their knowledge or at least awareness on a variety of product catergories. Jim was unique in that he was not required to sell anything other than watches EXCEPT when he was VERY fired up about a product. For instance, I can recall two shows he did, one was a "collectables show" featuring sports car collectables, and he did Grios garage once that I can recall. However, Jim is a car enthusiast and was excited about those products so that was not a big stretch for him. He did do some men's jewelry (very limited) but that was as Mike said, over a couple years ago and it had to do with a ring that he had made for him.

Anyway, Shop hosts do an excellent job. That is why they are called "hosts". They "host" the program for the experts which are the "vendor/guests." Their job is to set the stage for the "vendor/guest" to go at the details, much like Mike does for the Invicta shows. We should be grateful they do as well as they do. __________________ "There's a difference in livin' and livin' well..."

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Originally Posted by alaskageek I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the subject matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back to style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up!

I appreciate your kind words towards me, but I don't think I made your point at all. Case in point, when I was on with Daniel Friday night, I (as the subject matter expert) made numerous references to how well a particular watch went with what Daniel was wearing.

And, quite often, I reference how a particular watch can be dressed up or dressed down. Or how well you (men) could wear the watch with other jewelry. I also reference on the ladies pieces how well they can be accessorized with belts, handbags, shoes, etc. That is part of what we talk about. That is part of what the audience wants to hear. Believe me when I tell you, the vast majority of the watch viewing audience is not all that interested in the technical and construction aspects of the watch. The vast majority of watch show viewers are not concerned with whether a SAS has an ETA G10, an ETA 251.272 or a Ronda 5040D in it. I am constantly walking a fine line in getting too technical. I want to educate viewers as much as I can (for a variety of reasons and not all of them are altruistic), but the fact is that most folks just don't care to the level that many here do.

I can tell you that as the person sitting to the other side of the SNBC host, I get in what I feel I need and want to say about 99% of the time. I know that some may not like all of the presentations, but those folks need to understand that the show needs to appeal to a MUCH broader audience than just the "technical Watchgeeks" that hang out here. __________________ Michael

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We are geeks, anomalies, freaks of nature, we salivate over every detail and if someone misspeaks we freak out. Most people look and say>Watch is Pretty, I must buy it, How much does it cost. For most people the Hosts and Vendor might of well be speaking Swahili when giving all the technical aspects, but they need to be laid out there and Michael, Wing, Larry, Justin, David, Stan,Avi, give us the red meat we watch carnivores need. Most people just want the Dessert.

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I agree with you Michael. I own over 200 watches (most from the SHOP), and really dont care what the movement, etc. is. Sorry to all you technicrats out there I want to see the size, colors, and the "look" of the watch....and price, of course. I enjoyed Jim's personality, but what can we do? Stop buying watches altogether??? I think not. I enjoy what you, Michael. bring to Invicta and Shopnbc. pacerguy View Public Profile Send a private message to pacerguy Find all posts by pacerguy Add pacerguy to Your Contacts #8 05-08-2011, 06:09 AM Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: from ny live in g.a Posts: 5,739

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i must admit i too was spoiled by shows like watchtime with jim...its how i learned 90% of what i know about watches I do understand the average watch wearer. an micheal's coments as when i am in convo with them I too talk over their head. not everbody wants terms and specs. some just want pretty and sparkle.... In short Thanks for picking up that slack Micheal BIGNOIZE View Public Profile Send a private message to BIGNOIZE Find all posts by BIGNOIZE Add BIGNOIZE to Your Contacts #9

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Let's not forget Tim and Shawn. They are pretty sharp with regard to watches. __________________

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As long as the shop throws out some sweet deals on some sweet watches from time to time with a few critical details, I'm good to go. (Said with a smile as I drool over the 50%+ off Sniper on my wrist,...LOL) Watch Junkie View Public Profile Send a private message to Watch Junkie Send email to Watch Junkie

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Originally Posted by alaskageek I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the subject matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back to style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up!

They are in the business to sell, not to "educate". Mike is great to have as a resource and balances out the hosts he presents with, however, this may not be true for all vendors.

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Great comments Mr. Davis and others regarding that the SNBC Hosts are there to "set the stage" for the expert vendors to inform about their products and not to "educate".

Nonetheless, I appreciate all that I do learn from Tim, Shawn, and the other hosts.

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Actually I have always liked how each host brings their own take on a particular watch, as Jim did! You do a great job Michael in filling in the technical aspects of the watch and letting us know which of the color combos is the best all around choice and why, as you see/handle it up close! Also, you are always ready to stress the important features of the piece or that it is a "grail" and why. I see no problems with the Shops presentations, and moving forward, I am sure they will only get better! Thanks for your input and humor! invictawatchwatcher View Public Profile Send a private message to invictawatchwatcher Find all posts by invictawatchwatcher Add invictawatchwatcher to Your Contacts #14 05-08-2011, 12:08 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: State College, PA Posts: 198 Real Name: Dave Wrona

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I think that Tim Temple is very klnowledgeable. I also think that Skip and Shawn do a good job. No matter any of their knowledge, they will never SELL watches like Jim. Only because he was a true collector with a strong passion for his chosen hobby (addiction)! Michael is extremely knowledgeable and has a very strong passion for watch collecting and will be an indispensible asset to Invicta and ShopNBC now that Jim is no longer there. davewrona View Public Profile Send a private message to davewrona Send email to davewrona Find all posts by davewrona Add davewrona to Your Contacts

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I think that any watch show host and product expert (from vendor ) are in a unique position that is retooled through time. It would seem to me that perhaps they wanted to widen the appeal of the watch shows to the average consumer as this is a business and the "watch time " shows that we all loved might have been too closely directed to people like us.

I get the feeling that Michael is a very "straight shooter" and the information he share's with us is true insight to the inner workings of the "television shopping " business.

I think the shows are a bit different but that's the way it goes... __________________

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I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship 101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00 watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details. ........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

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Just missing Jim Michael, just missing Jim. __________________ Proclaim the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words. irishman View Public Profile Send a private message to irishman Find all posts by irishman Add irishman to Your Contacts #18 05-08-2011, 01:11 PM Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fort Leavenworth, Kansas Posts: 348

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There's nothing wrong with the new hosts in my opinion. If I want to know more about the watch I'll just look at the specs on shops website. __________________

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Originally Posted by ziggy10 I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship 101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00 watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details. ........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

I agree 100% I do understand that Shops hosts are there to sell, but they should at least have basic knowledge of the timepiece they are selling..I have been in sales for a very long time and understand the importance of having knowledge of your product, no matter what that may be..Just a thought

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Originally Posted by ziggy10 I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship 101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00 watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details. ........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

You hit the nail right on the head SOwen. Although Tim Temple seems to carry the torch these days when he is on. Living in Tennessee and working in Minnesota has it's downfalls.

I'd definitely like to see more of him. __________________

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You can't trust info on the website to be accurate, not just movements but even size of cases or auto vs. quartz, strap/bracelet size. You can look up two watches that are the same except color and have two very different sets of specs. I know it's hard to get everyone right every time but it has caused me to pass on something I wanted because I just wasn't sure about the details. Sorry, this may not be part of original post but just an observation.

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I liked Jim fine, but I buy watches on my criteria alone. pokerhustler View Public Profile Send a private message to pokerhustler Find all posts by pokerhustler Add pokerhustler to Your Contacts #23 05-08-2011, 03:51 PM

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Unfortunately, some of the vendor reps need to bone up on their own products as well. __________________

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I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth.

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Tim certainly does have alot of knowledge. Jim was sort of like the color commentator. He was the most colorful personality on the shop IMHO. Quote:

Originally Posted by 1956 chevrolet I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth. __________________ Proclaim the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.

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This may have already been stated, but you can get the technical specs from the website. I rely more on the website than the hosts anyway. jb182 View Public Profile Send a private message to jb182 Find all posts by jb182 Add jb182 to Your Contacts #27 05-08-2011, 04:40 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 22,642 Real Name: Brad

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Originally Posted by 1956 chevrolet I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth.

Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the bravado which some people are drawn to. __________________

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Jim set the bar really high. He is an exceptional sales/educator Comedian / with an unusual flair to exude the interest and creativity from his viewers and friends. This is an unusual collection of assets for a salesman to have. I feel privileged he was in my life as long as he was and I don't measure anyone to his stature.

The hosts are there to sell and each puts on their own spin. Some are funny while others more serious and to the point. They all have some knowledge in all areas of what they are selling. Some put more emphasis into selling the product; whatever it takes; while others explain and educate about the product be it a watch; bedding or anything else. I've heard other show hosts in addition to selling; talk about the watch; it's background, movement and complications; etc. even demonstrating and adding humor.

I had an English teacher I adored. Why? She made the subject interesting. She was animated and moved around while teaching. I learned more from her class then from other teachers. That said, the other teachers had their way of teaching and I learned from them as well but it wasn't as exciting or fun.

I think Daniel, Tim, Skip, Shawn, Dave King and others do a great job and with the aide of company representatives it's a job well done. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the bravado which some people are drawn to.

I really liked Jim--for what he was/is. However, I couldn't agree with you more about Tim. They all had/have good things to add--and they all make mistakes. arcata1946 View Public Profile Send a private message to arcata1946 Find all posts by arcata1946 Add arcata1946 to Your Contacts #30 05-08-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyback Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the bravado which some people are drawn to.

You're right, Brad.........not everyone here at WG's likes the "carnival barker" style of selling.........the current hosts here do a fine job; I'll call my ex-wife if I want to be yelled at! __________________

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As Mike explained I don't think it is the job of the host to educate you. The important info is there in print. All you really need to know is the movement and then the next best thing is there on TV for you, what the actual watch looks like in person. For most buyers it is the look of the watch, I don;t think there are many not purchasing the watches due to the fact that they don't like the movements. __________________

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I can say this... I watched the shop because it was fun!! The tech stuff was good and the watches where great. But I had fun to see what was going to come out of Jim's mouth next.

Not so much fun anymore but I'm liking the watches and that will not stop. chase16 View Public Profile Send a private message to chase16 Find all posts by chase16 Add chase16 to Your Contacts #33 05-08-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyP Let's not forget Tim and Shawn. They are pretty sharp with regard to watches.

Yes they are. Not all hosts are as Mark has stated. The ones that are cause me to turn off the show. I'm not looking for the deep technical subjects just more than we hear sometimes. Gigling and talking about things "off topic" are not what I tune in for.

Sorry!

I aggree with both Mark and Michael. That is not surprising though, I have made this

point in a post a week or 2 ago. I am happy to see we can talk about this without getting angry. Now for something completely different.

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Originally Posted by sherm I disagree. When sales brings to life the product; showing it or how it's used and explaining the components, materials used with some interest and history sells the product better.

Many of the viewers are more then interested; they are well read, curious and many can challenge the seller or product.

I do much better as the consumer having all the information presented to make and intelligent and educated decision. I like to know all about it; see all of it; know how it looks in different settings or on different wrists or with clothes; on different shape models etc. As far as being dynamic or comical; that's an added extra but I appreciate all the information and life the show hosts bring and for watches, Tim, Shawn, Daniel, Dave, Skip and all those that collect and are passionate themselves; sells the watch or the product.

They exude the power and the essence.

We should all be able to do what we're good at in a perfect world.

While the added is an extra is a plus it definitely isn't necessary for a consumer to make up his or her mind. JMO __________________

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I am not so concerned about the technicalities of a watch - particularly when it comes to a quartz movement. Shaved monkeys, however, are another story... jfinejfk View Public Profile Send a private message to jfinejfk Find all posts by jfinejfk Add jfinejfk to Your Contacts #36 05-08-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyback Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the bravado which some people are drawn to.

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Michael you nailed it as far as I am concerned. I like watches, I might buy a watch because of the dial color or how mechanical or busy the dial is, or how it will fit in with the clothes I wear. I have an Invicta SAS GMT and I have no idea what movement is in the watch. The same with many of my watches, because I don't buy based on the movement. Thats not to say that I am not fascinated by all of the different watch movements, and that is why I love WatchGeeks. There are people on this forum whose knowledge of watch movements, history and other insites of horology blows me away. When I watch one of the shows on the shop and I see one I like, price, value pays and yes, how will it work to dress it up or down is what I like to see. Thats not to say I don't enjoy information provided by you or Wing or any of the other brand reps, but I prefer going to this forum to get educated. All I need to know is does it take a battery or does it need to be wound all the other watch info is not necessary for me to make a decision on buy or no buy.

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I don't expect them to be knowledgable in watches as yourself or why would they need you.

They need u to do that and being an employee of Invicta u know most of the time the ins and outs of whats going on at Invicta. You may know of new watches in the works comming out in 6 months,when watches will be comming back, u basically have Eyal's ear to relay back to us, to let us know whats going on in the future and present.

The only thing I do dislike with a couple hosts is when for no reason they will interrupt u when u will be talking about a watch Movement for instance and will stop u for something that was talked about an hour earlier,and not from the producer (because u can tell most of time when they are told to stop u to say something like how many are left etc.) and you never get a chance or forget youself what u were saying earlier, and it was important to me and many others I believe. Only a couple of them do it and I do what u said I go to another channel and come back during commercials of that show, and then back to it when commercial is over. I look on the Interenet to see what the hosts and watches will be shown and make my decision on what to watch.

Don't get me wrong these are nice people personally I'm sure,it may be they don't even know they are doing it. You may not even notice it but I sure do with a couple of hosts not all, the majority of them are just fine cause they let u talk untill your done or the producer makes them interupt u. Sometimes I'm waiting for u to say something to them but I guess u

have to much class and want to keep you job too. It's like yourself you are now a real pro on the tube, and love it when u and Shawn get together it's great, and thier's a guy who wanted to do other things besides watches,a very knowledgable man thier.

But on the whole I think they do a great job along with yourself. chitown View Public Profile Send a private message to chitown Send email to chitown Find all posts by chitown Add chitown to Your Contacts #39 05-08-2011, 10:09 PM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 3,453 Real Name: Darius

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Originally Posted by sherm You have a right to your opinion but the best salespeople go the extra mile and tell all there is or more then just hold up a product and say what it will go with and how much it costs and how many are left. The shopping channels do very well because they do more then that. It's very helpful knowing as much as you can or there is to tell before buying something.

I will continue to feel as I do. There will be allot less returns going into each product knowing as much as you can about it.

I rest my case.

While no one is trying to sway you from your opinion the hosts of Shop NBC can't tell you any of the important info that watch collectors really need to know with the exception of Tim Temple. It is a major plus for us to have hosts like Tim Temple, JS, and even Shawn do what they do best but all host can't possibly be 100% knowledgeable about everything. No matter what host it is they will keep you abreast of quantities sold and whats left. The hosts do a very good job in doing what they are suppose to do. Mike and the other guests are their to do the rest.

I'm sure that most buyers don't need to be told what a watch will go with. As for figuring out the price I have a feeling everyone would find that out if the host remained silent throughout the entire show.

While JS was knowledgeable enough to give added info on the watch that was quite nice.

Since he is no longer there consumers will still get the info that the hosts are suppose to give

which is everything you have mentioned. In the mean time any of us watching the show can still figure out if they want the watch or not without being told what it will go with. Again, the added attraction is having the guest host there to give more technical info about the watches. Also while you can continue to feel the way you do I still feel that most watch buyers can buy a watch by viewing it live, rather then going with the generic pictures, knowing the movement and even checking out the description at Shop. __________________

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The show must go on......but I really miss the old products!

Jim Skelton may never be replaced as the star of the watch show but Tim Temple more than fills my need for an extremely knowledgeable and likable host. My issue with the Shop these days revolves around the products that are no longer sold there. Philip and Chase Duerer come to mind. Two more that I dearly loved, Zeno watch and Epos are long gone. Frankly, I used to think the Shop was a watch purveyor that truly cared about educating its customers as well as entertaining them while selling watches. There are still some hosts who have already been mentioned that are of that old school, but many of the products they offered us in the past are not available for them to sell. __________________ "Time wounds all heels".....Wacky Plax..circa,1959.

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I use to buy watches beacause of how they looked,,,and because of jim i buy watches on how they work and what makes them work,,i agree with some that the host should know a little about what they sale,,but when i go to buy a new car 'I' do the leg work on it ,,,same as for a watch,,,jim spoiled us and is truly missed,,but thanx to jim and others i can watch a show and know when i hear what movement it is,i know to pick up the phone or let it sit on the hook,, __________________

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"Watch is Pretty, I must buy it, How much does it cost?"

That's pretty much me!!

I don't really care for anyone to wax too technical, or philosophical, about a watch. I just want to see what it looks like, and I'll get the details from the web site.

On the other hand, I think many of us are having JS withdrawal. We miss the over-the-top humor and constant upbeat playfulness, coupled with the moment.

Well, it ain't happenin', and we might as well get over it.

Tomorrow is another day, and the watches are still SCREAMING out the door.

So, get yours while you can, and enjoy them with your friends!! __________________

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I had a passing interest in watches and then while channel flipping, I came across Tim about 6 yrs ago. Tim peaked my interest and from there, I bought watch mags and books and looked at the net to learn more, That is the point, shop served as the initial interest for me and from there I went further. But I did learn a lot from shop, ie Jim. Tim. Mike Larry, wing, etc - such as movements, how to reset the chronograph, how to measure a watch, complications,the history of watch companies, etc. gen09131 View Public Profile Send a private message to gen09131 Find all posts by gen09131 Add gen09131 to Your Contacts #44 Yesterday, 04:43 AM Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York City Posts: 1,072 Real Name: Guy

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It is not the Discovery or National geographic Channel they are there to give quick presentations and sell __________________

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Most of what I am seeing from the geeks pretty much agrees with what I have said. All most of us need is to see it, know the movement then buy it! __________________

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Originally Posted by sherm Jim set the bar really high. He is an exceptional sales/educator Comedian / with an unusual flair to exude the interest and creativity from his viewers and friends. This is an unusual collection of assets for a salesman to have. I feel privileged he was in my life as long as he was and I don't measure anyone to his stature.

The hosts are there to sell and each puts on their own spin. Some are funny while others more serious and to the point. They all have some knowledge in all areas of what they are selling. Some put more emphasis into selling the product; whatever it takes; while others explain and educate about the product be it a watch; bedding or anything else. I've heard other show hosts in addition to selling; talk about the watch; it's background, movement and complications; etc. even demonstrating and adding humor.

I had an English teacher I adored. Why? She made the subject interesting. She was animated and moved around while teaching. I learned more from her class then from other teachers. That said, the other teachers had their way of teaching and I learned from them as well but it wasn't as exciting or fun.

I think Daniel, Tim, Skip, Shawn, Dave King and others do a great job and with the aide of company representatives it's a job well done.

I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all the specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR BUISNESS WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO CRITISIZE SOMEONE ELSE DOING THEIR JOB, __________________

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Originally Posted by Evil Empire I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all the specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR BUISNESS WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO CRITISIZE SOMEONE ELSE DOING THEIR JOB,

Unless I'm mistaken I didn't notice any hosts being criticized. I believe the purpose of the entire thread was to ask opinions on whether we thought the hosts should be taught more about watches. __________________

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I realize and respect hosts are sales people. What is frustrating in their presentation,they talk about how exceptional their kids are,that has nothing to do with the presenting the product no matter what product they are selling. the verbage is the same.

Most hosts do a decent job. honeylor View Public Profile Send a private message to honeylor Find all posts by honeylor Add honeylor to Your Contacts #49 Yesterday, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyback Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the bravado which some people are drawn to.

If you watch Tim his face and tone will tell you everything you need to know about a watch he is selling I have been buying watches for close to 10 yrs off shop and others he gets really excited about great watch deals i could be in the other room and hear him getting excited about that I going to look bought some great watches that way from Tim. Jim is the same way I can think of the invicta minute repeater I was watching they said the price and i was online and got 1. oceanaut View Public Profile Send a private message to oceanaut Send email to oceanaut Find all posts by oceanaut Add oceanaut to Your Contacts #50 Yesterday, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by meijin I. Believe me when I tell you, the vast majority of the watch viewing audience is not all that interested in the technical and construction aspects of the watch. The vast majority of watch show viewers are not concerned with whether a SAS has an ETA G10, an ETA 251.272 or a Ronda 5040D in it. I am constantly walking a fine line in getting too technical.

I want to educate viewers as much as I can (for a variety of reasons and not all of them are altruistic), but the fact is that most folks just don't care to the level that many here do.

I can tell you that as the person sitting to the other side of the SNBC host, I get in what I feel I need and want to say about 99% of the time. I know that some may not like all of the presentations, but those folks need to understand that the show needs to appeal to a MUCH broader audience than just the "technical Watchgeeks" that hang out here.

First let me say that I enjoy all of the hosts on shop. They do a fine job presenting their assigned products. Of course I miss Jim. He was everybody's Buddy, and his presentations were presented in such a way that you felt he was talking to you only. A real sales talent most likely derived from his passion for what he was selling.

I do believe that Tim is equally knowledgable, maybe more so, as he is tuned into the industry even more so than anyone else on shop, hosts or vendors.

He got me started on this madness way back before Jim. I quoted part of Michael's post above which deals with the audience's interests in technical matters. I am not trying to be disrespectful when I say that you should never underestimate your customers. I was in retail and all the different aspects of a product come into play when you are selling. A technical aspect can be the reason a customer will buy one item over an identical looking other item. It could be the reason for prefering a Diver from Invicta over a similer looking one from Croton. All I am saying is that selling is not easy and the more knowledge you have of a product the easier you can make that sale! __________________ Love is a Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier named Bailey!

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Originally Posted by livefortoday

You're right, Brad.........not everyone here at WG's likes the "carnival barker" style of selling.........the current hosts here do a fine job; I'll call my ex-wife if I want to be yelled at!

Yep.....very well said. I often tuned out for that very reason. I've always enjoyed Tim and his presentations.... __________________

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Originally Posted by Evil Empire I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all the specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR BUISNESS WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO CRITISIZE SOMEONE ELSE DOING THEIR JOB, He just had one I snagged. (Larry from SO) I watched the video and Jim was on with Larry. I almost teared up. It was such a delight to hear what he says and he just had a way that can't be compared to anyone else I know.

Jim pointed out things in a way that got my attention. I like the other hosts and feel they have their own sense of perspective sharing ideas and information with demonstrations and background that sets it up to sell. I like this and got used to it. For me, the way of dynamic sales including "the all about it" is what sells it for me and keeps me fueled. We all have our opinions; needs; likes and dislikes. These are mine.

I stepped out of my comfort zone and got the ladies chronograph. Jim said it wears like a 40mm watch so fingers crossed. It's a cushion case.

I like that it's a serious movement; one they use in the guy's watches; that it has a high water resistance, that it's a chronograph and a day date, that the MOP looks gorgeous, that it's displayed using a juggling design on the complications and it feels so summer.

There is nothing wrong with expecting or looking for the sales representatives to go in detail with what it is they are selling. Do you buy sheets without knowing the content? If a person buys without knowing about the product that is their choice; I want to know as much about everything before I make the decision to pull the trigger. thank u Evil Empire ~ we feel the way we do and I say there is nothing wrong with it. __________________

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I do not know if it is directly related to Jim leaving Shop, but I have not tuned in to a watch show on Shop in so long that I can't remember when the last time was. The few times I have, I was board stiff with the products that were being sold (same old watches being shown over and over and over). Before Jim left I would set my I-Phone to remind me of when a show is coming on, now I rarely think about it. I do not know what happened, because a year ago, if someone told me that I would stop tuning in to Shop's watch shows, I would have told them I was crazy. This is nothing against Tim, Shawn or Daniel, they do a fine job, but for what ever reason, I have lost interest. __________________ Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. And love your neighbor as your self. Have a great day fellow Geeks!

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