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I wasn't able to watch all of the Invicta shows last night. The Invicta Reserve Mid-Size Specialty Subaqua Swiss GMT Stainless Steel Watch - J179565 was presented. As far as I know, this is the first Invicta "Reserve" that doesn't have "Swiss Made" at the 6 o'clock hour marker, but only 'Swiss." Was there any mention if this watch was "Swiss Made" and any discussion about the Swiss movement?

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Wow. Removing the video discussed but no one posting anything in this thread says a lot in my opinion.

Of course, there are still many other videos still on ShopNBC where watches labeled simply as "Swiss" are described as "Swiss Made" - and I'm willing to bet that as we begin popping open these other "Swiss" labeled pieces we'll find that they also have Chinese movements... I just took a quick look, and found three videos where it is explicitly stated that these pieces are "Swiss Made" - including another RD where "Swiss" is at the 3 o'clock position. It is definitely being used as a selling point, otherwise it wouldn't be mentioned as often as it is.

Someone (preferably Eyal) really needs to step in and attempt to explain this situation. Although I really don't know what explanation he can have other than they "accidentally" misrepresented the origins of these watches. __________________ Eric. emathieu View Public Profile Send a private message to emathieu Find all posts by emathieu Add emathieu to Your Contacts #378 Today, 04:21 AM

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So what do you want Invicta to do? My guess even it they come out and say "Swiss" means "Swiss made", some of you would not believe it anyway. So why bother. This has turned into one of those just keep piling it on kinda thread. If you don't feel the Swiss means Swiss made....and it bothers you this much, just don't buy the product. I am waiting for someone to post "Getta a rope......." __________________

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So what do you want Invicta to do? My guess even it they come out and say "Swiss" means "Swiss made", some of you would not believe it anyway. So why bother. This has turned into one of those just keep piling it on kinda thread. If you don't feel the Swiss means Swiss made....and it bothers you this much, just don't buy the product. I am waiting for someone to post "Getta a rope......."

Did you read the thread?...or even look at the pictures? Invicta has said (in this thread) Swiss equals Swiss Made. The pictures have China movements in Swiss watches. __________________

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StephenC Senior Member Master WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by bigjimzlll Did you read the thread?...or even look at the pictures? Invicta has said (in this thread) Swiss equals Swiss Made. The pictures have China movements in Swiss watches.

Like I said, If it really bothers you all this much just don't buy the product. I sould not have posted in this thread....bad judgement call on my part....sorry... __________________

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Hey,

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So what do you want Invicta to do? My guess even it they come out and say "Swiss" means "Swiss made", some of you would not believe it anyway. So why bother. This has turned into one of those just keep piling it on kinda thread. If you don't feel the Swiss means Swiss made....and it bothers you this much, just don't buy the product. I am waiting for someone to post "Getta a rope......."

Please read the whole thread before posting responses - it's a best practice anyway, but really vital on these 10+ page threads. This is not a "piling it on" thread - the issue is that Invicta has said that, but the reality is that a watch labeled "Swiss" has a Chinese movement. Look at the pics...

Everyone who has spent a lot of money on Invicta timepieces wants an explanation as to how something like this can happen.

As for just not buying the product, the problem is that people already have purchased them... __________________ Eric.

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Originally Posted by timeman I wasn't able to watch all of the Invicta shows last night. The Invicta Reserve MidSize Specialty Subaqua Swiss GMT Stainless Steel Watch - J179565 was presented.

As far as I know, this is the first Invicta "Reserve" that doesn't have "Swiss Made" at the 6 o'clock hour marker, but only 'Swiss." Was there any mention if this watch was "Swiss Made" and any discussion about the Swiss movement?

The movement in this watch is the Ronda 515.24H and is produced in two versions, one "Swiss Made" the other "Swiss Parts." Could it be this "Reserve" Invicta has the "Swiss Parts" movement, so the reason for not putting "Swiss Made" on the dial? It always was mentioned that the "Reserve" line were all "Swiss Made." Could it be this is no longer the case?

I do not think those watches are listed in there Reserve Line catalog and the model numbers do not come up in there search feature either. The model numbers have been used to designate there Reserve Signature Collection that was being sold on Amazon in the past.

Take it for what its worth but if ya likes it gets it but if your looking for a guarantee its "Swiss Made" I would have some concerns about that.

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Originally Posted by meijin ...snip... I can only present the information that I have been given. However, when

I believe this information to be wrong, I will state as much. Some may not like that, but it is the only fair and honorable way that I know to do things....snip...

Fair enough.

Do you still believe Invicta follows the Swiss Federation guidelines for the watches they produce that are marked Swiss?

I noticed you had time to post a lenghthy statement in the thread were folks were praising you.

What about this one?

You say some may not like it if you tell the truth but it is the honorable thing to do.

Does the "some" include Eyal Lalo?

We want to hear from you. You have referred to people in the past who brought this issue up as crazy conspiracy theorists. I understand you have a job you want to keep but at the least you owe us an apology.

I say again I have an Invicta watch marked Swiss on the dial with a Swiss Parts movement.

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My guess is the Swiss Federation would not accept Invicta as a member due to these type of stunts. What an incredibly interesting and informative thread this has become, it would be a total disgrace to close it. I guess 20k + Watchgeeks are seeing that you get what you pay for and as far as Invicta is concerned $100 watch marked Swiss is not equal to a $300 watch marked Swiss Made. Doesn't this bring the "reserve" line's hand built all swiss made claims into question? __________________

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Alright now ... lets not be a lynch mob.

You present as to what you are told to present and present it as you are told to present it. You take it as to how it is given to you. Unless he physically opened the cases to look and see it is what it is how would he know. Yes he might question it, yes he might think differently but he does what he is told to do and does it how he is told to do it ... so why are some trying to lynch Mr Davis or even Mr Skelton in this matter?

It is Eyal Lalo who really needs to answer the questions at hand or at least that is who I thought made the decisions at Invicta Watch or has something changed. Nobody can speak for him and if he asks for somebody to speak for him regarding the questions at hand I would hope they respectfully say no and do not allow themselves to be put into the middle of this. Yes Mike could speak for Invicta in this matter and if Eyal tells him to than I am sure he will but currently I honestly do not think he has been given the green light to speak for Invicta and is smarter than you realize by keeping his nose out of this topic at this time.

So lets not be a lynch mob on this. If you purchase a watch and think it is not what you think it was presented as open it and if its not what it was than send it back to ShopNBC and tell them it was not what they sold it as. If this happens enough times than ShopNBC will begin to also question what your questioning and get to the bottom of this as well but lets NOT turn into a lynch mob looking for blood when all you want is answers to the questions.

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Originally Posted by X-James Alright now ... lets not be a lynch mob. ...snip...lets NOT turn into a lynch mob looking for blood when all you want is answers to the questions.

Lynch mob? Don't be so dramatic. We are just waiting for an explanation.

Michael Davis is an authorized spokesperson for Invicta.

He and JSkelton have said repeatedly said over the years that when Invicta puts Swiss on a watch it meets the Swiss Federation guidelines for a Swiss Made watch.

Swiss = Swiss Made, nuff said is how I saw it put on more than one occassion.

They even took a step farther and questioned the sanity of those who expressed doubt in their claims.

Now their claim that with Invicta Swiss=Swiss Made has been blown out of the water.

Michael Davis is a grown man he will do just fine without you defending him.

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This is all quite interesting in a very negative way. I'm wearing one of my two Venom's purchased from Amazon that says only SWISS at 6:00. I was always led to believe that SWISS does equal SWISS MADE. Are these primarily Chinese watches?

Sounds like it. Would I have paid $385 per watch if I knew they were not SWISS MADE, no I would not have. I would have purchased one of the many other Venom models available that do say SWISS MADE. I can see why everyone is so upset, I know I am. sandman20 View Public Profile Send a private message to sandman20 Find all posts by sandman20 Add sandman20 to Your Contacts #389 Today, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DIAMANTE Michael Davis is a grown man he will do just fine without you defending him.D I am not defending him, not at all. He and Mr Skelton made some bold statements in regards to this topic but unless they actually popped open cases they were just going by what they were told and what they believe as well.

I just think that your kind of demands in wanting them to step forward and answer for the crimes(?) there being accused/convicted of ... is kind of like a lynch mob mentality way of demanding answers.

Trust me I'm not defending them and I would like to see them speak on this topic as well but they are not the ones that caused the questions to be asked in the first place.

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Originally Posted by StephenC

So what do you want Invicta to do? My guess even it they come out and say "Swiss" means "Swiss made", some of you would not believe it anyway. So why bother. This has turned into one of those just keep piling it on kinda thread. If you don't feel the Swiss means Swiss made....and it bothers you this much, just don't buy the product. I am waiting for someone to post "Getta a rope......."

Really? Thanks for the sage like advice there!

Tell me Stephen, what about all of us who have hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of these "Swiss = Swiss Made" watches that are packing cheap dime store Chinese movements? You know, those of us who have got taken and want an explanation?

So in your mind we are owed nothing? Just let it go huh? Not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by sandman20 This is all quite interesting in a very negative way. I'm wearing one of my two Venom's purchased from Amazon that says only SWISS at 6:00. I was always led to believe that SWISS does equal SWISS MADE. Are these primarily Chinese watches?

Sounds like it. Would I have paid $385 per watch if I knew they were not SWISS MADE, no I would not have. I would have purchased one of the many other Venom

models available that do say SWISS MADE. I can see why everyone is so upset, I know I am.

It would be interesting to know what exactly is in that Venom. What is the model number shown on the caseback and does it say "Reserve Signature Collection" on the caseback as well?