04-13-2012, 04:49 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 9,232 Real Name: Jerry
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Are ShopNBC Watch Videos Being Eliminated?
Use to be watches that were aired on SNBC would shortly there after have a corresponding video of the on-air presentation along with the "photos" tab and watch specs. Due to SNBC's prices constantly going up and down I found watching the videos a way of comparing prices, so as to determine if a new presentation's price was a good deal or not. However, I've been noticing that fewer and fewer videos are being made available. Most often than not all you have now is the "photos" tab and the video one is missing. I don't know if not permitting you to look back at earlier presentations is intentional, but it does negatively affects your ability to price compare and determining if the new presentation's price is less or higher. If I was able to determine the present price is higher than past pricing I would not purchase the item, in hope it would come down in the future. Maybe this is the reason that past videos are being phased out so you can't price compare? __________________
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I've also noticed the zoom feature is going away too. __________________
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I think maybe you answered your own question. You're telling the shop that you use the information they provide against them. That is, you use the videos to compare prices. You also state that you won't make a purchase until you are certain you can attain the lowest price. This makes for an interesting case study. While the shop wants our business they also want to make money. Let's face it, times are tough for everyone including Retailers. The problem is that as margins decrease companies have less money for things such as payroll, advertising, Sales and so-forth. If everyone had the same philosophy as you and only made purchases at Rock Bottom prices how would companies such as the shop survive? A quick look revealed to me that DOD sites are falling by the wayside almost as fast as they start up. Take Groupon for example. They are in the toilet compared to where they were 6 months ago.
The problem with heavily discounting items is that it is not sustainable unless you have an endless supply of cheap inventory to sell and are happy with 1-3% margins. That' may be ok for smaller companies but publicly traded companies like the shop need to make more money. They have stock holders to report to. As for the video on the shops site. It looks like maybe a temporay issue. Their site has been plagued with small issues over the last few weeks. It may be best just to reserve comment for a bit and see how it plays out. There has been way too much speculation on our part regarding this issue. bayside1 View Public Profile Send a private message to bayside1 Visit bayside1's homepage! Find all posts by bayside1 Add bayside1 to Your Contacts #4 04-13-2012, 05:19 AM Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Bedford Posts: 7,557 Real Name: ScottyB
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shop has down every thing under the sun to alienate geeks except show up at ScottyB's door & beat my noggin with a stickbut like BAYSIDE & STEVE MARTIN in THE JERK said before him: " OH I GET IT-- IT'S A PROFIT DEAL ! " hokk54 View Public Profile Send a private message to hokk54 Send email to hokk54 Find all posts by hokk54 Add hokk54 to Your Contacts #5 04-13-2012, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bayside1 If everyone had the same philosophy as you and only made purchases at Rock Bottom prices how would companies such as the shop survive? I'm sure SNBC and most retailers love the uninformed and implosive buyers who don't check to see if they're getting a good deal. I'm not one of them and believe many geeks here are that way too. By taking the videos away makes it more difficult to be an informed buyer, which I'm sure SNBC would like to see, so you'll purchase their items at a higher price. __________________
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A month or two ago you would be forced to watch the video by just clicking on the watch details. I have never been very impressed with SNBC internet technology. I'm not sure if they are experimenting with marketing technique or their IT staff is just marginal. I have used the videos to research watches before buying elsewhere. I would hate to see that option go away given any reason. __________________
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agree with Jerry-attempt to make comparison shopping & being a SY SIMMS " informed consumer " more difficultwill rely on TROUTSTROKER for my HU and WG chatter for the straight skinnyshop not credible on prices-- they jig the prices like they are fishing for flounder-- put blinders on consumers like a NYC CARRIAGE HORSE do not want a hook in my mouthSHOP got their own problems with the net leveling the playing field and putting pressure on bricks & mortar-- not my problem-not LIOR'S problem-- LIOR went net pirate & took his bite out of shop-J.S chomping tooDARWINIAN CAPITALISM-- DOGS EAT DOGS-STRONGEST DOG LIVESwill leave these problems to TOP MEN AT SHOP- TOP MEN THINK TANKSCOTTYB SLEEP LIKE BABYhokk54 View Public Profile Send a private message to hokk54 Send email to hokk54 Find all posts by hokk54 Add hokk54 to Your Contacts #8
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Originally Posted by bayside1 I think maybe you answered your own question. You're telling the shop that you use the information they provide against them. That is, you use the videos to compare prices. You also state that you won't make a purchase until you are certain you can attain the lowest price. This makes for an interesting case study. While the shop wants our business they also want to make money. Let's face it, times are tough for everyone including Retailers. The problem is that as margins decrease companies have less money for things such as payroll, advertising, Sales and so-forth. If everyone had the same philosophy as you and only made purchases at Rock Bottom prices how would companies such as the shop survive? A quick look revealed to me that DOD sites are falling by the wayside almost as fast as they start up. Take Groupon for example. They are in the toilet compared to where they were 6 months ago. The problem with heavily discounting items is that it is not sustainable unless you have an endless supply of cheap inventory to sell and are happy with 1-3% margins. That' may be ok for smaller companies but publicly traded companies like the shop need to make more money. They have stock holders to report to. As for the video on the shops site. It looks like maybe a temporay issue. Their site has been plagued with small issues over the last few weeks. It may be best just to reserve comment for a bit and see how it plays out. There has been way too much speculation on our part regarding this issue. I am long past case studies and strategic planning for business. As a consumer now, I want my watches at a deep discount. SNBC has plenty of sheep to be lead to the slaughter so there is no need to worry about their bottom line due to the efforts of savvy buyers. Sites like WOW and DOD are doing quite well with informed consumers as their clientele and they are not in any fiscal peril that I can see. __________________ We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T. S. Eliot rjgawriluk@ameritech.net View Public Profile Send a private message to rjgawriluk@ameritech.net Find all posts by rjgawriluk@ameritech.net
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I don't see any deep rooted conspiracy against an informed public, just a web site that has been overhauled and still have issues. There are still isolated vidoes througout the site and some items actually still have the zoom function for images. I'm hoping they will eventually get all of the bugs worked out again and all functionality is retored. __________________
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timeman True WatchGeek
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Originally Posted by TheJayBird I don't see any deep rooted conspiracy against an informed public, just a web site that has been overhauled and still have issues. There are still isolated vidoes througout the site and some items actually still have the zoom function for images. I'm hoping they will eventually get all of the bugs worked out again and all functionality is retored. I'm hoping it's a temporary glitch due to the site's update. __________________
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Wondering what is the cost to produce these videos? I'm sure the Shop margins are smaller now. WG's are a small % of their sales so the videos probably help with those on the fence types. Gregg View Public Profile Send a private message to Gregg Find all posts by Gregg Add Gregg to Your Contacts #12 04-13-2012, 08:58 AM
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I noticed that as well. I just thought it was another improvement/upgrade. willywanda
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Originally Posted by willywanda I noticed that as well. I just thought it was another improvement/upgrade. About a year ago when SNBC was updating their web site we lost the ability to preview watch shows a week in advance to the now present 18 hours. Luckily the Backdoor program guide was found. At first it was believed it was a temporary glitch and the old preview capabilities would return. It didn't. I'm hoping now that videos of previous shows will return, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Future previews of shows and videos give the customer information in planning purchases and in some cases a pricing history that might save you some money. Both of these features are an advantage to the buyer and hopefully we don't lose them. __________________
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I wanted a Deep Blue watch the other day but after seeing that it was $150 more then the price on the video I waited. I do use the videos to compare prices.
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Wow...lots of issues here....In past, I enjoyed using the videos to take a second look at what i was considering buying. Hope it comes back. My 2c. paceheart52 View Public Profile Send a private message to paceheart52 Find all posts by paceheart52 Add paceheart52 to Your Contacts #16 04-13-2012, 12:41 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Worcester, MA Posts: 1,194 Real Name: Kevin B
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Originally Posted by rjgawriluk@ameritech.net A month or two ago you would be forced to watch the video by just clicking on the watch details. I have never been very impressed with SNBC internet technology. I'm not sure if they are experimenting with marketing technique or their IT staff is just marginal. I have used the videos to research watches before buying elsewhere. I would hate to see that option go away given any reason. " I have never been very impressed with SNBC internet technology. I'm not sure if they are experimenting with marketing technique or their IT staff is just marginal. " Did you mean to say that maybe their buget for their IT dept. could be larger? FYI, a lot of changes are taking place on the net currently that affect searches and placement. Shop Nbc is probably experimenting with the new code like everyone else right now.
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Originally Posted by rjgawriluk@ameritech.net I am long past case studies and strategic planning for business. As a consumer now, I want my watches at a deep discount. SNBC has plenty of sheep to be lead to the slaughter so there is no need to worry about their bottom line due to the efforts of savvy buyers. Sites like WOW and DOD are doing quite well with informed consumers as their clientele and they are not in any fiscal peril that I can see. Have you noticed that World of Watches prices fluctuate all over the map too? You have to play this game with Lost Leaders to keep the site fresh and keep potential buyers charged. However, the bottom line is that they are running a business. It costs real money to produce those live shows and pay hosts to be on the air 24 x7. Having a web presence costs a lot more than you may imagine. Offering up to 6 interest free Value Payments requires a real decent line of credit of which costs the shop money to use. The larger the outfit the larger their overhead is. This was one of the alures to the internet for merchants. Lower overhead meant they could sell for less. Now that everyone is spoiled with rock bottom pricing many are wishing for the old days. I'm working 4 times harder for the same money I was making 5 years ago because of the internet. bayside1 View Public Profile Send a private message to bayside1 Visit bayside1's homepage! Find all posts by bayside1 Add bayside1 to Your Contacts #18
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Personally, I have to thank Shop. Since they took away our ability to see whats coming days in advance and have taken down a lot of the vodeos I buy less. Thanks Shop. I used the videos to refresh my memory on how to adjust a quartz movement, review particulars of a watch that would be shown later in the day or like a lot of us check pricing. The morale of the story while Shop may be trying to snag the uninformed shopper they are loosing the informed. The more watches I miss the more I realize I probably have enough. Truckmedic View Public Profile Send a private message to Truckmedic Find all posts by Truckmedic Add Truckmedic to Your Contacts #19 04-13-2012, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Truckmedic Personally, I have to thank Shop. Since they took away our ability to see whats coming days in advance and have taken down a lot of the vodeos I buy less. Thanks Shop. I used the videos to refresh my memory on how to adjust a quartz movement, review particulars of a watch that would be shown later in the day or like a lot of us check pricing. The morale of the story while Shop may be trying to snag the uninformed shopper they are loosing the informed. The more watches I miss the more I realize I probably have enough. Exactly, as I more often then not do not watch the shows so playing back a video is what I prefer to do. willywanda View Public Profile Find all posts by willywanda Add willywanda to Your Contacts #20 04-13-2012, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bayside1 Have you noticed that World of Watches prices fluctuate all over the map too? You have to play this game with Lost Leaders to keep the site fresh and keep potential buyers charged. However, the bottom line is that they are running a business. It costs real money to produce those live shows and pay hosts to be on the air 24 x7. Having a web presence costs a lot more than you may imagine. Offering up to 6 interest free Value Payments requires a real decent line of credit of which costs the shop money to use. The larger the outfit the larger their overhead is. This was one of the alures to the internet for merchants. Lower overhead meant they could sell for less. Now that everyone is spoiled with rock bottom pricing many are wishing for the old days. I'm working 4 times harder for the same money I was making 5 years ago because of the internet. I'm a retired IT VP who was involved in the development of the Internet, Electronic Mail, and E-Commerce. Nowadays I just buy watches . __________________ We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T. S. Eliot rjgawriluk@ameritech.net View Public Profile Send a private message to rjgawriluk@ameritech.net Find all posts by rjgawriluk@ameritech.net Add rjgawriluk@ameritech.net to Your Contacts #21 04-13-2012, 03:30 PM Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 3,497 Real Name: Dave
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Originally Posted by TimLovesWatches I've also noticed the zoom feature is going away too. Noticed this too and I liked the zoom feature to see the detail better. __________________
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I liked the Old shows with the OLD Hosts and Guests...Prices do go up and down..Oh well...Gone are the Good Old Days!!!! CohibaJoe View Public Profile Send a private message to CohibaJoe Find all posts by CohibaJoe Add CohibaJoe to Your Contacts #23 04-14-2012, 07:13 AM Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Bedford Posts: 7,557 Real Name: ScottyB
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