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OK- Dont want to hit that dead horse again but...

This Swiss not Swiss shell game thingy...

OK Was going to pull the trigger on the black SAS Midsize 3 hand GMT (ENOUGH with the GMT already! but thats another subject...) J179565 But it says SWISS on the face above the 6.

So I guess that means (and PLEASE correct me) that means Swiss parts but not Swiss made?

I found FWG Jaybus74 selling a SAS mid Chrono slightly used for $55 less and I bought it instead cuz it says SWISS MADE under the 6. So is it really?

And is the SWISS one just Swiss parts?

Preferred a new 3 hand but for $50 less getting "true" Swiss made appealed to me more.

If anyone can link me to the other threads on this I would appreciate it.

PS Love the SAS no matter what even if made where Daniel Mink has his watches made (Who the hell knows where that is?) But if having the choice in the same price range- I would prefer Swiss made- even a used one Swiss made vs a new one that is not. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834 3 Lastest Threads by Z4MC Thread OK- Dont want to hit that dead horse again but...

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Personally can't say with surety. It may be that, due to the economy, some models that were formerly made in Switzerland are now assembled elsewhere. Sheer speculation on my part. No horse - no beating - just a conversation. __________________

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Here is the quote's from Eyal on the subject.

The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing. __________________

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so far...from what I gather... to be clear...exactly...with Swiss...and not Swiss Made...

It is made somewhere in the far east...most likely China... its a swiss design movement...made from china components works for me if the price is right "Come on Down?" hogrider1234 View Public Profile Send a private message to hogrider1234 Send email to hogrider1234 Find all posts by hogrider1234 Add hogrider1234 to Your Contacts #5 Today, 12:30 PM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tempe, suburb of Phoenix Posts: 18,042

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This horse is not only dead its decomposed. With all thats going on in the world I find it hard to believe we cant come up with something else to talk about. If you like it and can afford it buy it if not dont __________________

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Originally Posted by wave3214 This horse is not only dead its decomposed. With all thats going on in the world I find it hard to believe we cant come up with something else to talk about. If you like it and can afford it buy it if not dont Well kinda true I agree with you- However it is our hard earned money and just want to spend my hard earned money in the most prudent way available and know what I am getting for said hard earned money. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834 Z4MC View Public Profile Send a private message to Z4MC Find all posts by Z4MC Add Z4MC to Your Contacts #7 Today, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by icewolf64 Here is the quote's from Eyal on the subject.

The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing.

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Don't want to hit that horse again...BUT

Hey, is that Invicta bat stamped "Swiss" or "Swiss Made"...

Sorry, I couldn't resist! __________________ Nolad nolad View Public Profile Send a private message to nolad Find all posts by nolad Add nolad to Your Contacts #10 Today, 12:49 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Morgantown WV Posts: 12,254 Real Name: Tommy

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Sounds like you ripped yourself off -- you bought a watch you liked less because of country of origin?

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Originally Posted by wave3214 This horse is not only dead its decomposed.

"...well, it's another thread where the geeks are not only talking about dead horses, but NOW decomposed horses...I tell you Seymour, dude, we have got to post a funny reply to this thread....now where are your eyes...last time I saw them they were on the other side of the barn, right where your tail and left hind leg fell off..." __________________ PhantMan Homemade Split Pea Soup:Each pea is split by hand so there's a part of me in every can. monkeyphant View Public Profile Send a private message to monkeyphant Send email to monkeyphant Find all posts by monkeyphant Add monkeyphant to Your Contacts #12 Today, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by icewolf64 Here is the quote's from Eyal on the subject.

The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing.

If Eyal is saying this why isn't this mentioned on ShopNBC when they sell Swiss parts movements watches? __________________

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Originally Posted by wave3214 This horse is not only dead its decomposed. With all thats going on in the world I find it hard to believe we cant come up with something else to talk about. If you like it and can afford it buy it if not dont This discuss would stop if the whole truth and facts were mentioned on ShopNBC during their watch shows. As long as they continue to misrepresent their watches as Swiss made when they're not, we should continue to make mention of it here. __________________

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Originally Posted by nolad Hey, is that Invicta bat stamped "Swiss" or "Swiss Made"...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

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Originally Posted by timeman This discuss would stop if the whole truth and facts were mentioned on ShopNBC during their watch shows. As long as they continue to misrepresent their watches as Swiss made when they're not, we should continue to make mention of it here.

Once again Timeman, you're 100% correct! kless13 View Public Profile Send a private message to kless13 Find all posts by kless13 Add kless13 to Your Contacts #16 Today, 01:11 PM

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I'm disappointed in the Shop hosts that they didn't correct the Invicta spokesmodels when they said Swiss and Swiss Made were one in the same. I would think the hosts that only do watch shows would have known this. I'm just sayin. watchgolfer View Public Profile Send a private message to watchgolfer Find all posts by watchgolfer Add watchgolfer to Your Contacts #18 Today, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wave3214 This horse is not only dead its decomposed.

I disagree.

For the simple reasons that this is all very confusing, customers have the right to fully know what it is they are spending their hard earned money on, and this whole Swiss = China movement revelation is all of a couple days old now after years of being told otherwise.

The poster was respectful, did not touch on the "hot potato" side of the topic. (i.e. intentional misinformation) Kahuna Cowboy View Public Profile Send a private message to Kahuna Cowboy Send email to Kahuna Cowboy Find all posts by Kahuna Cowboy Add Kahuna Cowboy to Your Contacts #19 Today, 01:35 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Antonio,TX Posts: 1,332

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Originally Posted by timeman This discuss would stop if the whole truth and facts were mentioned on ShopNBC during their watch shows. As long as they continue to misrepresent their watches as Swiss made when they're not, we should continue to make mention of it here.

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Originally Posted by JoeH That horse sure is ripe........ as ripe as this discussion __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they?

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Originally Posted by wave3214 This horse is not only dead its decomposed. With all thats going on in the world I find it hard to believe we cant come up with something else to talk about. If you like it and can afford it buy it if not dont EXACTLY!!!!!! I ONLY hit this thread to say the same. I was like UGHHHH and was gonna pass right by it, but felt like someone had to say it! Its been discussed, better yet we ACTUALLY HAVE the answer from Eyal and know what it means when they mark it that way. Now Im NOT AN APOLOGIST, just saying that we have the reply and its clear what they mean, so now if you know what it means either buy it or dont its up to you. However we really dont need countless new threads everytime someone looks at or wants a watch that says Swiss, you know whats what now so either buy it or dont. Im NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT, but it is what it is!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by tkromer Sounds like you ripped yourself off -- you bought a watch you liked less because of country of origin?

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My take on this is when you are dealing with Invicta according to Eyal if the dial says SWISS MADE then it is according to the guidelines , no issues there.

If the dial says SWISS then you as the consumer should be aware that it will only contain swiss parts and can be assembled anywhere so it depends on price and looks if you are going to buy it. __________________

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Originally Posted by subaquaviva It's actually an Italian slugger.....and before anyone has a PC stroke, I'm 100% Italian.

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My take on this is when you are dealing with Invicta according to Eyal if the dial says SWISS MADE then it is according to the guidelines , no issues there.

If the dial says SWISS then you as the consumer should be aware that it will only contain swiss parts and can be assembled anywhere so it depends on price and looks if you are going to buy it. lets hope this can be a sticky chief so this back and forth doesnt take up so much forum space __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they?

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I have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and I won't address the OP's question. What I will address is this is a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that DO want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old. __________________

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Originally Posted by RLFierro I have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and I won't address the OP's question. What I will address is this is a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that DO want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old.

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I can remember a while back on one of the shows the host, don't remember who, mentioned that a watch was swiss made and pointed to the six oclock where it said only Swiss. He then back tracked and said swiss components, but I don't think even he was sure. I never gave it much thought cause I didn't like the watch anyhow. I buy what I like never mind, Swiss, Chinese, Japanese. kb64 View Public Profile Send a private message to kb64 Send email to kb64 Find all posts by kb64 Add kb64 to Your Contacts #29 Today, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RLFierro I have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and I won't address the OP's question. What I will address is this is a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that DO want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old.

We stated Rich!

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Originally Posted by RLFierro I have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and I won't address the OP's question. What I will address is this is a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that DO want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old.

Thanks Rich, I just wanted to know- now I do, its all good and thank you all for the info.

I know this has been discussed before.

Also as a point of reference this is my third SAS Mid- Love the watch. The other two are Chronos and thought it would be nice to have a three hand -so I didn't "buy a watch I didn't like" I saved money and got a great watch from a fellow Watch Geek. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834 Z4MC View Public Profile Send a private message to Z4MC Find all posts by Z4MC Add Z4MC to Your Contacts #31 Today, 02:36 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 604

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Originally Posted by Z4MC This Swiss not Swiss shell game thingy...

OK Was going to pull the trigger on the black SAS Midsize 3 hand GMT (ENOUGH with the GMT already! but thats another subject...) J179565 But it says SWISS on the face above the 6.

So I guess that means (and PLEASE correct me) that means Swiss parts but not Swiss made?

I found FWG Jaybus74 selling a SAS mid Chrono slightly used for $55 less and I bought it instead cuz it says SWISS MADE under the 6. So is it really?

And is the SWISS one just Swiss parts?

Preferred a new 3 hand but for $50 less getting "true" Swiss made appealed to me more.

If anyone can link me to the other threads on this I would appreciate it.

PS Love the SAS no matter what even if made where Daniel Mink has his watches made (Who the hell knows where that is?) But if having the choice in the same price range- I would prefer Swiss made- even a used one Swiss made vs a new one that is not.

If it said Swiss Made would that actually matter? Is this a collectors item? Unless its a fine time piece, an SAS is not (I own two), then what difference does it make CHUCK WAGON View Public Profile Send a private message to CHUCK WAGON Find all posts by CHUCK WAGON Add CHUCK WAGON to Your Contacts #32 Today, 02:43 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,452 Real Name: Brad

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Originally Posted by CHUCK WAGON If it said Swiss Made would that actually matter? Is this a collectors item? Unless its a fine time piece, an SAS is not (I own two), then what difference does it make The same difference as buying a bottle of 100% fruit juice that turns out to be 20 percent water, it's dishonest and misleading. Honesty doesn't only matter when the price is high or the item is collectible, it always matters. __________________

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This Scuba is on Sunday night. The watch is marked Swiss.

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The point is that your paying higher prices for Lower end stuff period Leviathon Shop $327 sunday Run (Reserve all swiss Hand assembled) $149 could Eal sell this and still make Money. ? If you don't like the treads don't open them davidboy View Public Profile Send a private message to davidboy Find all posts by davidboy Add davidboy to Your Contacts #36 Today, 03:52 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 8,034

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Originally Posted by timeman If Eyal is saying this why isn't this mentioned on ShopNBC when they sell Swiss parts movements watches?

Maybe you should call & ask ShopNBC... __________________

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At this point I could care less whats on the dial but there is no such thing as a dead horse when it affects members of this forum. We have to take the bad with the good as far as Invicta goes and lately it has been bad. I dont hear anybody wanting to shut down any positive threads about Invicta.To the OP it is not a Swiss made watch and if you dont think its worth it because its not and what it is percieved by Invicta as Swiss made then I would not buy it. __________________

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My take on this is when you are dealing with Invicta according to Eyal if the dial says SWISS MADE then it is according to the guidelines , no issues there.

If the dial says SWISS then you as the consumer should be aware that it will only contain swiss parts and can be assembled anywhere so it depends on price and looks if you are going to buy it.

Yes, now we all know for sure what we have suspected for a long time. But what about all the Non-Geeks watching the watch shows and hearing the hosts say it is "Swiss-Made" because it says "Swiss" on the dial? They are being miss lead.

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Originally Posted by CHUCK WAGON If it said Swiss Made would that actually matter? Is this a collectors item? Unless its a fine time piece, an SAS is not (I own two), then what difference does it make It doesn't matter THAT much but it does matter as a point of clarity as to what we are buying. And if the deal for the chrono hadn't popped up then I would have bought the 3 hand GMT from the SHOP. Chinese made or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Z4MC Well kinda true I agree with you- However it is our hard earned money and just want to spend my hard earned money in the most prudent way available and know what I am getting for said hard earned money.

No combination of letters on a watch dial will ensure satisfaction.

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Until just a few days ago, we were all being mislead. Invicta was the underdog watch company that I have rooted for. It's hard to take personally, that they couldn't care less (about honesty).

Eyal could have called ShopNBC and suggested (and they listen to Eyal) this week that changes happen. Changes like truth in advertising and selling.

I am not throwing my Invicta watches away. I am wearing a "swiss made" diver

watch as I type, but will I ever be as proud to wear them as I used to be?

I can hope but Eyal beats to a different drummer.

I very much appreciate post #26 from Rich. Thank you! __________________

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Originally Posted by madicen No combination of letters on a watch dial will ensure satisfaction.

Buy what you like, not what you think the label makes it.

Agree Mark- I stated I was going to buy the watch no matter what, the entire point is just to KNOW what I am buying so I can make the best, most informed decision possible. __________________ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. ...Alexis de Tocqueville after travelling to America 1834 Z4MC View Public Profile Send a private message to Z4MC

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My take on this is when you are dealing with Invicta according to Eyal if the dial says SWISS MADE then it is according to the guidelines , no issues there.

If the dial says SWISS then you as the consumer should be aware that it will only contain swiss parts and can be assembled anywhere so it depends on price and looks if you are going to buy it.

Great post Chief - concise and to the point. I think we can all safely assume that an Invicta marked Swiss is more than likely 100% made in Asia.

At least we now know for sure - took some work to get to the truth, but hey.

RLFierro's post is right on the mark. We have a large membership and opinions vary wildly.

I can't understand why some folks post things like "stop talking about this, there are more important things going on in the world."

Hell yeah there are more important things going in the world - but this is a watch forum. More to the point an Invicta watch forum. What are we supposed to be talking about?

Many are long time Invicta fans and the revelation that Invicta's marked Swiss are made in Asia is BIG NEWS to us, especially when you consider the owner of the company told us otherwise.

Then we see the company moving in the direction of taking all their best, top tier models to this "swiss" Asian manufacturing.

To me it is a disturbing trend. I mean when we saw the SAN III with the ISA and rubber and all the other cheaper variations that was a let down but I never thought I'd see these models Asian produced.

Big news to me and I want to talk about and discuss with other Invicta fans why this is happening. Is it just money? Do they really not want to do this but have to? Who knows? But the forum is for discussing it.

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Originally Posted by I B Ticken This Scuba is on Sunday night. The watch is marked Swiss.

Watch the video, Listen th Eyal..nuff said. http://www.shopnbc.com/Invicta_Men_s...aspx?storeid=1 Shame on Eyal, he knows better.

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Originally Posted by icewolf64 Here is the quote's from Eyal on the subject.

The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing.

My question is.....is a Swiss Movement Far East Assembly VERSION another word for "ETA/Clone"? Do they really use Swiss parts or just clone them and call it Swiss?

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Originally Posted by madicen No combination of letters on a watch dial will ensure satisfaction.

Buy what you like, not what you think the label makes it.

Mark I agree no letters will ensure satisfaction. But don't you agree that certain letters like "SWISS" infer a certain quality? If you are being told that it is "swiss made and assembled" then don't you put it up to higher standards than if you were told it was assembled in Asia?

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Where a watch is made in part determines what the watch should sell for. Because of this it is important to know where it was made. To those who do not believe this to be true I ask if you had two identical watches except one is Swiss made and one is Chinese made and they are the exact same price which would you buy? __________________

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Originally Posted by modgoldwing46 My question is.....is a Swiss Movement Far East Assembly VERSION another word for "ETA/Clone"? Do they really use Swiss parts or just clone them and call it Swiss?

You answered your own question in your post:

"Here is the quote's from Eyal on the subject.

The the word “Swiss� was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins." __________________ God put fools on this earth as a cheap form of entertainment to the rest of us!

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Originally Posted by GeorgeTheWatchGuy

Maybe you should call & ask ShopNBC...

No need to phone ShopNBC when what is said about him is made known to him or he reads it himself. Didn't he post a response on this forum to the many posts about Invicta calling Swiss parts movements watches Swiss made? If you don't think asking questions here for Eyal or Invicta will be answered, I would be happy to phone ShopNBC. __________________

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I would call Shop NBC. They are on right now. __________________

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Funny how no one complained about those fancy colored Russian divers for 89$ a while ago. They were "SWISS" with final assembly in China. Sold out of all colors except one I believe. __________________

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Originally Posted by nolad Hey, is that Invicta bat stamped "Swiss" or "Swiss Made"...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

No, that's how they stamp the watches (and the dead horses). ITS A JOKE DAMN IT!!!

(No horses were harmed in the making of this joke) __________________

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Originally Posted by reliefcp I would call Shop NBC. They are on right now.

I was thinking the same thing! huitball View Public Profile Send a private message to huitball Find all posts by huitball Add huitball to Your Contacts #55 Today, 05:14 PM

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I buy watches that I like. Who cares what it says on the dial.

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Originally Posted by Onemorewatch Funny how no one complained about those fancy colored Russian divers for 89$ a while ago. They were "SWISS" with final assembly in China. Sold out of all colors except one I believe.

Were people aware there was a difference at that time? There is no way I can remember back to then, but was Shop still saying all Russian Divers were Swiss Made then? (or at least all sold on Shop) I certainly was not aware till the big post and pictures. Are you saying you were aware that watch was not Swiss Made? (Not challenging you...lol.... just wondering if you knew) __________________ Remember, watches are people too. tampa8

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Originally Posted by Trancefanatic I buy watches that I like. Who cares what it says on the dial.

Just to echo another post, are you then saying two watches, exact same style, one the "Asian assembled" movement/watch, one the Swiss assembled movement\watch, same price, if you could pick first, would take the more Asian one and let me take the Swiss one?

And I just can't resist answering when someone says that. I in no way feel you have to care what the label says. But I can tell you plenty of watch collectors most certainly do. It isn't what the label says so much, but what we are told it means. Not just by Invicta, by any watch company. If the watch was the same as Swiss Made, it would say Swiss Made. It ain't. As long as I know the rules, I could then agree with you, if I like a watch and know what the label means I would buy it, basing price on what I know. __________________ Remember, watches are people too. tampa8 View Public Profile Send a private message to tampa8 Find all posts by tampa8 Add tampa8 to Your Contacts #58 Today, 05:38 PM Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,772

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Was the Akula Reserve that was just on w/Dave King, Michael commented it was swiss made, really swiss made? The piece says swiss GMT at 6pm and the case back stated SWISS ?

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I agree with the OP, if you can have a Swiss Made watch for the same amount, why not? __________________

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I don't believe that on the Shop Dave just asked Michael while discussing, the Reserve Mid-Size Akula Swiss Quartz GMT Watch - J179569, "What does reserve mean", and Michael responed, "Reserve is a Swiss Made timepiece". Did anyone else catch it? __________________ "IT'S GOOD TO BE THE KING"---Mel Brooks, "History of the World, part 1" I B Ticken View Public Profile Send a private message to I B Ticken Find all posts by I B Ticken Add I B Ticken to Your Contacts #61 Today, 05:41 PM

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I viewed the dead horse so I understand the diff; but the community right here gave me a good understanding over the couple of years of reading and communicating with the bruthas/sistas right here. I went back and read the post a couple of times and just thought it was a moment for clarity...

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Originally Posted by I B Ticken I don't believe that on the Shop Dave just asked Michael while discussing, the Reserve Mid-Size Akula Swiss Quartz GMT Watch - J179569, "What does reserve mean", and Michael responed, "Reserve is a Swiss Made timepiece". Did anyone else catch it?

Read my post a couple above yours and you'll have your answer!

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Originally Posted by RLFierro I have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and I won't address the OP's question. What I will address is this is a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that DO want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old.

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It looks like Invicta and/or Shop NBC keep resuscitating the horse. It can't die with the mis-statements still happening. huitball View Public Profile Send a private message to huitball Find all posts by huitball Add huitball to Your Contacts #65 Today, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tampa8 Were people aware there was a difference at that time? There is no way I can remember back to then, but was Shop still saying all Russian Divers were Swiss Made then? (or at least all sold on Shop) I certainly was not aware till the big post and pictures. Are you saying you were aware that watch was not Swiss Made? (Not challenging you...lol.... just wondering if you knew) Actually yes I knew. Jim either said it or he wrote it on this forum. __________________

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Originally Posted by KOKONUTZ Read my post a couple above yours and you'll have your answer!

Sorry, I was typing, then posted, then saw your post.

How can the horse die if they keep misspresenting their product. __________________ "IT'S GOOD TO BE THE KING"---Mel Brooks, "History of the World, part 1" I B Ticken View Public Profile Send a private message to I B Ticken Find all posts by I B Ticken Add I B Ticken to Your Contacts

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Originally Posted by huitball It looks like Invicta and/or Shop NBC keep resuscitating the horse. It can't die with the mis-statements still happening.

Agree...credibility and accountability.....the management at the Shop and Invicta need to step up and take ownership and responsibility.

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Originally Posted by huitball It looks like Invicta and/or Shop NBC keep resuscitating the horse. It can't die with the mis-statements still happening.

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Originally Posted by huitball It looks like Invicta and/or Shop NBC keep resuscitating the horse. It can't die with the mis-statements still happening.

Completely agree - I don't like what I perceive to be misleading statements. bpo View Public Profile Send a private message to bpo Find all posts by bpo Add bpo to Your Contacts #70 Today, 05:58 PM Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,772

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Originally Posted by I B Ticken Sorry, I was typing, then posted, then saw your post.

How can the horse die if they keep misspresenting their product.

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Amazing that it is still being said, especially after Eyal's "explanation" about exactly what Invicta's use of "SWISS" means. Oh well... __________________

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Originally Posted by rlfierro i have not made a comment on any of these discussions, and i won't address the op's question. What i will address is this is a forum for discussion, and you know what people do here??? They talk. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, don't be, you are in no way obligated to click your mouse on the thread but please, show some respect to those that do want to discuss it. What you find boring, mundane or beaten to death may not be the case for others. Come on people, it's not the topics that are getting old, it all the "tudes" that are getting old. agreed! 100% JFM View Public Profile Send a private message to JFM Send email to JFM Find all posts by JFM Add JFM to Your Contacts #73 Today, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by I B Ticken I don't believe that on the Shop Dave just asked Michael while discussing,

the Reserve Mid-Size Akula Swiss Quartz GMT Watch - J179569, "What does reserve mean", and Michael responed, "Reserve is a Swiss Made timepiece". Did anyone else catch it?

This is Invicta's position i.e. All Reserve Invicta watches are Swiss Made, and Michael is only stating it. __________________

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Originally Posted by emathieu Amazing that it is still being said, especially after Eyal's "explanation" about exactly what Invicta's use of "SWISS" means. Oh well...

How amazing? C'mon, its only been a very short time and I doubt seriously if anyone on Shop--with the possible exception of Jim S.--has read this thread.

ShopNBC will change their descriptions the hosts give when Eyal, or is rep, tell them "officially" to do so. Are they gonna do it? Almost certainly. When are they gonna do it? Dunno that. But its coming.

The first thing that will probably happen is that the ShopNBC hosts will simply not touch the movement question at all. They'll probably hand that hot potato over to the Invicta rep, which lately has been Mike (how does that guy get any sleep at all?).

And BTW, we're not talking about quality issues here, or buying cars with Pinto engines or watered down bottles of fruit juice. We are talking about someone deliberately misrepresenting a product. It is not about marketing and its not important if its done by others or not.

And it isn't even about watches. Its about lying and telling the truth. Its that simple.

Remember, almost all everything we do as a society is based upon trust, trusting your neighbor, the company you work for, the people you buy your car from, etc., virtually everyone. It is the glue that makes society even possible.

I think its a big deal...

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Originally Posted by Grumpyface How amazing? C'mon, its only been a very short time and I doubt seriously if anyone on Shop--with the possible exception of Jim S.--has read this thread. .

Since every entire video that mentions the Word Swiss meaning swiss made has been removed from there site. I am very sure that the crew knows. __________________

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Originally Posted by Grumpyface How amazing? C'mon, its only been a very short time and I doubt seriously if anyone on Shop--with the possible exception of Jim S.--has read this thread.

ShopNBC will change their descriptions the hosts give when Eyal, or is rep, tell them "officially" to do so. Are they gonna do it? Almost certainly. When are they gonna do it? Dunno that. But its coming.

The first thing that will probably happen is that the ShopNBC hosts will simply not touch the movement question at all. They'll probably hand that hot potato over to the Invicta rep, which lately has been Mike (how does that guy get any sleep at all) What was amazing is that it wasn't one of the SNBC hosts that said it - it was in reference to the "SWISS GMT" midsize Akula, that is not marked "Swiss Made" and has "SWISS" on the caseback. Per Eyal's response, this should mean that it contains a Swiss parts movement, and is not Swiss Made. The host asked Mike about it being a Reserve piece, and Mike said that means it is Swiss Made. I guess I was just surprised to hear that in light of Eyal's revelations. I'd personally be afraid to say that unless I was popping off case backs first to see what's inside. Historically, that would have been a safe and easy thing to say, as all Reserves (before the Lupah Reserve) were Swiss Made and marked as such. Now that we have these "SWISS" labeled pieces, who knows what may be in there unless we look, Reserve or not?

I actually feel for Michael, as I don't think that he has ever intentionally misled anyone, and he has been put in a tough spot right now until there is total clarity on the issue. __________________ Eric. emathieu View Public Profile Send a private message to emathieu Find all posts by emathieu Add emathieu to Your Contacts #77 Today, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trancefanatic I buy watches that I like. Who cares what it says on the dial.

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I wonder why World of Watches is careful in there description of the Swiss Made watches in calling the movement swiss made quartz and calling the ones marked Swiss as only being swiss quartz movement. Does Lior know that there is a difference between the ones marked Swiss and the ones marked Swiss made or is this just a coinsidence. __________________

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Originally Posted by icewolf64 I wonder why World of Watches is careful in there description of the Swiss Made watches in calling the movement swiss made quartz and calling the ones marked Swiss as only being swiss quartz movement. Does Lior know that there is a difference between the ones marked Swiss and the ones marked Swiss made or is this just a coinsidence.

I doubt it's coincidence. But even at that, the reference to Swiss quartz movement,

should be more accurately stated Swiss parts quartz movement. __________________

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Originally Posted by emathieu What was amazing is that it wasn't one of the SNBC hosts that said it - it was in reference to the "SWISS GMT" midsize Akula, that is not marked "Swiss Made" and has "SWISS" on the caseback. Per Eyal's response, this should mean that it contains a Swiss parts movement, and is not Swiss Made. The host asked Mike about it being a Reserve piece, and Mike said that means it is Swiss Made. I guess I was just surprised to hear that in light of Eyal's revelations. I'd personally be afraid to say that unless I was popping off case backs first to see what's inside. Historically, that would have been a safe and easy thing to say, as all Reserves (before the Lupah Reserve) were Swiss Made and marked as such. Now that we have these "SWISS" labeled pieces, who knows what may be in there unless we look, Reserve or not?

I actually feel for Michael, as I don't think that he has ever intentionally misled anyone, and he has been put in a tough spot right now until there is total clarity on the issue.

What is hard for me to understand, is why Michael is still saying that after he is aware of Eyal's post? Unless he hasn't read the post. Not!! kless13 View Public Profile Send a private message to kless13 Find all posts by kless13 Add kless13 to Your Contacts #81 Today, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyback I doubt it's coincidence. But even at that, the reference to Swiss quartz movement, should be more accurately stated Swiss parts quartz movement.

I agree with you, just trying to point out the fact that more people know about this than what is being let out. __________________

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How many times are you guys going to repeat the same statements over & over again... This thread has run it's course... __________________

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