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eurOut magazine Dear reader
About:
A few weeks ago I got a little scared.
children of lesBians seem to thrive,
The Dutch general elections were
if you read Anna’s other article!)
going on and the outcome surprised
Luckily, I was able to put my worries
me. It shocked me, even. Someone
into perspective when I realized that
who I consider to be openly racist
other people shared my thoughts
received many, many votes from
and that I wasn’t alone in this.
the Dutch people. And as Gwen explains in her article, this doesn’t
And so the fear drifted off, making
necessarily mean that it’s bad for
way for new inspiration. Reading
Dutch LGBT rights. To me, however,
Ley’s exclusive interview with film
it does give off a creepy signal
and theatre maker Mariel Macia left
about what’s going on in Dutch
me very inspired, for instance. Or
society. Combine that with lesbians
reading about the brave people that
and gays being beaten up in ‘Gay
participated in Bratislava Pride. And
Capital’ Amsterdam in the past few
as I’m writing this, I’m preparing
weeks, and you see how that’s got
for a little Pride weekend myself. A
me a little worried about my home
great reminder of the fact that we’re
country.
not alone, and that we don’t have to be scared.
Which is why I totally understand Anna’s worries about deciding to have children (see her LesBian Life
Warm regards,
column in this issue). Society can be tough and scary for every child, and
Saskia Joreen
being raised by two lesBians might
Chief Editor
not make matters easier. (Although
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DidFamous You Know? Lesbians in European History
Jessica Landström
Voted best breakthrough player at Swedish Football Awards 2009.
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Jessica Landstrom of Sweden (L) fights for the ball with Ariane Hingst of Germany during their women's quarter final soccer match in Shenyang Olympic Stadium, the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games August 15, 2008.
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Out soccer star Jessica Landström (born December 12, 1984) is a forward for the Swedish national team. She debuted for the national team on November 8, 2007, where she also scored her first international goal. She also played Forward for the U21/23 national team and for Hammarby from 2005-2007. She would go on to play for Sweden’s national team in an Olympic qualifying match against Denmark in 2007 and four additional games during the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
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In This Issue
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4 What makes lesbian literature, lesbian literature?
5 What do the Dutch elections mean for LGBT rights?
8 The LesBian News Stack
10 Movie review: “The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister�
12 LesBian Life: deciding to have or not to have kids
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14 When are you really out?
16 Studying LesBians: Is a gay-friendly work environment
profitable?
18 Study shows children of lesBian parents thrive
20 We Are Everywhere
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22 First Bratislava Pride disrupted, but still successful
23 Interview: lesbian film maker Mariel Macia
28 Where Are We on Television?
29 A list of LGBT organizations
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What Makes Lesbian Literature, Lesbian Literature?
Image copyright: Anna McFaith
In a new series on lesbian literature, Tessa tackles important literary questions. This issue she tries to unravel if a novel is considered to be lesbian literature when the author is lesbian or when it has a lesbian character or plot? Or must it be both? By: Tessa
I READ TIPPING the Velvet by Sarah
“I have many enthusiastic lesbian
But again, do so many of us return
Waters in part because of the lesbian
readers who have been with me right
again and again to Winterson’s work
theme. It was the first novel I read by
from the start – long before I became
because of a lesbian theme or because
Waters and I liked the idea of reading a
popular as a mainstream writer – and I
they are well written pieces of art?
mainstream and widely acclaimed novel
am very grateful to them. At the same
that was so unashamedly lesbian, and
time, of course, I don’t sit down at my
What
Winterson
supposedly, it was a good read.
desk every morning thinking, ‘I am a
saying
is
lesbian writer’.”
insidiousness to a label. A label confines,
What made me buy the next novel
that
and
there
Waters is
a
are
certain
limits and stagnates the imagination. To
was that it was well written and had a
“Most of my working life is spent
label an author as lesbian is an easy
plot that kept me awake late at night
grappling with words and stories – and
identification marker. It’s a warning to
because I couldn’t put it down. When
at that point I am simply ‘a writer’,
some and an attractor to others. A label
Waters
novel,
like any other writer. In other words,
makes it easier, as Winterson states, for
The Little Stranger, there was some
lesbian passions and issues are there
the reader to not have to think, “this is
outrage in the lesbian community that
in my books in the same way that
not for me, I am not lesbian”. The reader
it contained no lesbian plot, theme
they are there in my life: they are both
has to look no further than the label.
or character. She had abandoned the
vitally important to me, and completely
community, or so it was felt by some.
incidental.”
published
her
latest
Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit speaks
Does this mean that we only read her
to many of us. It puts into words what
previous novels because of the lesbian
Jeanette Winterson, who is considered
many of us feel we can’t; the emotion
theme?
by many to be one of the main figures in
of discovering your sexuality, of finding
the genre of lesbian literature, recently
your place in the world, in battling the
When asked if she considers herself
stated in an interview in the British
world that you are meant to occupy but
a lesbian author, she replied with the
newspaper
she
just don’t. Can it only hold a sense of
following: “Yes and no. I am very
dislikes the label ‘lesbian author’. That
truth for lesbians because the author
comfortable with the concept of a
many, but certainly not all, of her books
is lesbian and the theme is lesbian? Or
‘lesbian writer’ or a ‘lesbian text’. Most
have a lesbian theme clearly stems from
can it also hold truths for others? Does
of my novels so obviously foreground
the fact that these are her experiences.
a novel written by a straight author by
passions between women that it has
What for many is the quintessential
default become a gay novel if there is a
made lots of sense to me to invoke the
coming out story, Oranges Are Not The
gay character present? I’ll try to answer
‘lesbian’ label.”
Only Fruit is essentially the story of her
these and similar questions in the
life written in a fictional context.
upcoming instalments, so stay tuned!
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The
Guardian
that
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What do the Dutch elections mean for LGBT rights? When the Dutch government fell, the entire Dutch LGBT community held its breath. We were looking at a fractured, rightwing political field. Now the results are in and Gwen takes us through the outcome as well as her reasons for voting. By: Gwen LET ME JUST flat-out say it at the
parties, or probably even more. The
start of this article: in the general
more parties in the cabinet though, the
elections in the Netherlands, I voted
harder it will be to reach consensus on
for someone mostly because he is gay.
important issues.
Had I not voted for him, I would have voted for an entirely different party.
Our previous cabinet was made up
Yeah, I’m not so sure what I think of
of CDA (Christian Democrats), PvdA
this either.
(Labour) and CU (Christian Democrats). The CU is more conservative than the
When I was little, my mother took me
CDA. They are against abortion and
to the voting booth with her and she
euthanasia, and they think it should be
used to vote for the first woman with
allowed for civil servants to say they
a foreign sounding name on the list of
do not want to wed people of the same
the party she wanted to vote for, so I’m
sex. There is a third Christian party in
used to preference voting.
the Netherlands, SGP, who are against same-sex
I
actually
copied
her
in
the
municipality elections, and voted for a
woman
with
Moroccan
marriage
altogether
and
think women should not be allowed to be active in politics.
ancestry
whose main point is that she wants
Online, we have covered how the
to improve communication between
Dutch cabinets keep falling (in fact, I
different ethnic groups by creating
can’t remember anything else – the
places where women of all ethnicities
many benefits of being young) and
can meet and talk.
what happened to LGBT issues when former Minister of Education, Culture
Now we’ve got that out of the way
and Science Ronald Plasterk was forced
- and I hope everyone is thinking
to resign. It was his party, Labour, that
about what it means when you vote for
stepped out of the coalition, and our
someone based on one single aspect of
fate was left in the hands of Christian
their identity - let’s look at the bigger
parties.
picture of the elections. Luckily, in the elections in June, the The
Netherlands
are
a
country
party that is most often part of the
that always has a coalition cabinet
coalition, CDA, has lost so many seats
in government, made up of several
it isn’t even participating much in the
different parties. I think over the
first stages of coalition building yet.
course of my life these have always
After all votes had been counted, CDA
been three parties, but the coalition
is at 13,6% of votes with 21 seats, as
cabinet does need to have a majority
opposed to 41 before the elections.
of the seats in the House of Commons, which has 150 seats.
The
biggest
party
is
VVD
(Conservative Liberal) with 31 seats, When the respective parties gain less
the second biggest is Labour with
votes, it could be possible to have a
30
coalition cabinet consisting of four
considered quite right-wing in the
seats.
Conservative
Liberal
is
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What do the Dutch elections mean for LGBT rights? Netherlands, so it is currently not
However, and this is a very big
Wilders isn’t coming up with good
looking at Labour, but at PVV (Party for
however:
acceptance
solutions, or any solutions at all that
Freedom), which - with 24 seats - is
of gay people as one of those typical
don’t involve closing our borders and
now the third largest party. If Party for
Dutch
closing down schools and religious
Freedom doesn’t ring a bell, the name
completely
Geert Wilders probably does.
Muslim
Wilders
things
uses
that
is
disrupted
Moroccan
supposedly
by
Dutch
primarily youth.
In
centres. of
And
we
generalizing,
should
be
stereotyping,
wary and
the last televised debate before the
creating some sort of social isolation.
Geert Wilders is the man who made
elections
I, for one, do not care much for being
a movie in which the Koran was
“islamisation” and “street terrorism” in
portrayed as a book filled with hate (the
the Netherlands, gay people no longer
same could probably be done with the
felt safe to go outside.
he
said
because
of
the
used in Wilders’ political strategy. Currently, there is talk of a VVD-
Bible), who was initially denied entry
CDA-PVV coalition, which would have He uses the one minority as a means
82 seats. So what does this mean for
person”, and who recently came with
to put the other minority in the corner,
Dutch LGBT issues? It’s hard to make a
the proposition of a law to put a tax on
and the problem is we are starting to
definite statement on that.
the wearing of head scarves.
believe he is right.
Image copyright: Harold Pereira
to the UK for being an “undesirable
Femke Halsema, GroenLinks
It’s probably obvious that I’m not
There are entire discussion threads
I think it’s certainly good the CU is not
a fan of Geert Wilders and do not
on the internet where everyone keeps
exactly a possible coalition partner and
agree with most of what he stands for.
putting forward views similar to the
probably won’t become one either –
Yes, most. I’d usually say I disagree
ones Wilders has, and on some sites
the liberal views of the VVD are in my
with him completely, but there’s an
it has become so bad I steer clear of
opinion completely incompatible with
interesting problem going on in relation
the
the conservative views of the CU.
to Geert Wilders and LGBT issues: he is
altogether. I should say I once met a
a fervent supporter of our equal rights.
girl with Moroccan ancestry who was
I also believe none of the three parties
out to the entirety of Amsterdam if she
would turn back progress that has
his
had to, except for Amsterdam West,
been made, while VVD and possibly
priority is the multicultural society
where it was “impossible” to be out
PVV might even make more progress.
and immigrants. But when it comes to
and Moroccan.
It
isn’t
his
priority,
because
politics/current
events
section
When it comes to the VVD on queer
the queer community, there are not a lot of things on which the PVV and I
I’m obviously not saying there are
issues, I don’t have a lot of hang-
disagree.
no problems, there are. It’s just that
ups, and the CDA deserves credit
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What do the Dutch elections mean for LGBT rights? for appointing the Netherlands’ first
However, in the national elections I
on every street corner, but on the other
lesbian Minister Gerda Verburg as
voted D66, and especially for openly
hand, there have been three incidents
Minister of Agriculture, Nature and
gay Boris van der Ham, who has made
of anti-gay violence in Amsterdam this
Food Quality in the previous cabinet.
himself strong for,
month already.
things,
better
amongst other
judiciary
regulations
I would end this article by saying a
surrounding co-parenting in same-sex
Another truth: Dutch politics are
‘Purple’ cabinet, consisting of both left-
households.
complicated and sometimes messy.
wing social democrat and right-wing
Parliamentary leader in the House of
liberal parties, but no centre parties
I wouldn’t have anything against the
Commons of the VVD Mark Rutte has
like CDA and CU, would have been the
possible coalition with 81 seats, VVD-
said he wants to have a new coalition
best possible outcome of the elections.
PvdA-D66-GroenLinks. In fact, I would
by July 1st, but I think the majority of
Personally, I am constantly in limbo
like that better than anything with PVV
the Dutch are sceptical about that.
between
in it.
agreeing
with
GroenLinks
For now, we’re just going to have to
Democrat pragmatic party).
wait and see what happens, hope they
Image copyright: Dirk Hol
(the Greens), and D66 (the Liberal
Jan Peter Balkenende, CDA
GroenLinks is a left-wing party and
What I can say with a lot of certainty
can come to an agreement, and hope
D66 is rather right-wing on economic
is the main difference between left-
the new cabinet doesn’t fall again.
issues and somewhat left-wing on
wing parties like the Greens on one
Although I have only been allowed to
social issues, but still considered right-
hand, and right-wing parties like VVD
vote for a little over a year, and I love
wing in general, which means the two
and D66 on the other hand, is that
political debates on television, the kid
parties I tend to doubt between are
the right-wing parties focus much
in me can’t have enough elections.
in essence their own fictional purple
more on security to increase safety,
coalition.
and the left-wing parties much more on educating the general public to
In
the
municipality
elections,
I
increase acceptance.
voted for the Greens, because when considering my own living space I
Curiously, Labour and the Christian
think it is a good thing to think of the
Democrats also told the COC they
environment first and the economy
think security is the most important.
later.
Personally I’d say if we’d have more acceptance, we wouldn’t need cameras
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The Lesbian News Stack
By: Maxime
Like you have come to expect from us, our regular column “The LesBian News Stack” gives you an overview of previous month’s political news of interest for European LGBTs.
Around The Corner: THAT
8
SOUTH
AFRICA
is
not
a
YOU
MIGHT
REMEMBER
that
JOHN SHEEHAN IS back in the
safe ground for gay people is not
McDonald’s recently started a new
news
really new, neither that corrective
publicity campaign in France and
should ‘not permit openly practicing
for
saying
rape happened to more than one
that the company received much
homosexuals to serve in the U.S.
lesbian, more than one dying as a
praise from the LGBT community
military.’
consequence of the attack. What
for one of the commercials. When
seems kind of new though (at least to
asked when they were going to air
The
me), is the fact that a huge business
it in the US, McDonald’s stated that
collaboration
like the BBC takes this on and
they hadn’t any plans to air it and
another
publishes a story about the problems
the French gay-friendly ad wasn’t
president of the Family Research
of lesbians, or more precisely lesbian
representing the company’s views.
Council: “an organization dedicated
soccer players in South Africa while
As a consequence the American
to the promotion of marriage”. No
the soccer World Cup 2010 in South
National Gay and Lesbian Chamber
apologies will help him this time out
Africa just started.
of Commerce cut their ties with the
of the deep cave he’s driving himself
company.
into.
article
that
was with
retired
America
written Tony
army
in
Perkins,
man,
now
The Lesbian News Stack Portugal:
Spain: THERE’S
A
heated
discussion
AMONG
OTHER
Austria: LGBT
going on since organizers of the
organizations, ILGA Europe and
Madrid Gay Pride march banned
ILGA Portugal were invited by
a
Aviv
the Portuguese Prime Minister to
residents who want to join the
officially celebrate the publishing
march. Antonio Poveda, of Spain’s
of
LGBT Federation, explained that
marriage.
delegation
of
gay
Tel
Portugal’s
gender
neutral
them to this decision. The Israeli
WITHOUT
delegation
Icelandic
argued
that
Pride
MUCH
ado,
Parliament
include same-sex couples. and
why they had been disinvited.
changed
their
IVF
treatment
law, which is now open to single POLICE IN Barcelona are currently
women, gay and heterosexual
investigating one of the city’s
couples and is applied to donor
clinics
eggs and sperm. The votes were
medication
and
offering
psychiatric
unanimous.
believe that it is a coincidence that
ALMOST
2/3
CLARE DIMYON, a gay rights Queen’s birth honor. She will
of
be awarded an MBE (Member of the British Empire) for her
Belarusians
would like to see homosexuality
incapable
of
promotion
assisted reproduction.
France: TWO
CASES
of
lesbophobic
attacks came to end with quite satisfying
results,
with
the
offenders of both cases being punished more severely than
kiss-in
activist, made the list of the
Belarus:
aren’t
the legal aspects of the disrupted
UK:
their homosexuality. They don’t
same religion.
they
reproduction. And besides that,
requested. On the other hand,
counseling to ‘cure’ patients of
almost all patients belong to the
as
modified
their existing marriage law to
been
need of artificial insemination,
even with the help of medically the
and that they couldn’t understand
has
lesbian couple wasn’t really in
still not be to able to reproduce
marches were not about politics
that
Government
gay male couples as gays would
Iceland:
attack on the Gaza flotilla let
AUSTRIAN
stated in a recent ruling, that a
an approval would discriminate
the fact that Tel Aviv officials have not openly condemned the recent
THE
of
LGBT
rights
in
Paris
have
been
postponed until November. Gay organization SOS homophobie has taken civil action and will be represented by France’s well known lawyer for LGBT rights Caroline Mécary.
throughout Europe.
Italy:
be banned again, just like it was until 1994. LGBT rights and
THE UK decision that a lesbian
activists have a difficult stand in
ex-partner cannot be forced to
SHOUTS
Belarus with Pride events being
pay maintenance for the child
to
constantly banished and the last
both women had decided to
coming up again as a number
one being disrupted brutally by
care for together, is just another
of homophobic assaults have
the police last month.
example that there are still so
been
many things in disorder when it
weeks.
comes to LGBT rights.
personally appealed to Italy’s
Turkey:
FOR
condemn
legal
reported The
grounds
homophobia
over
the
latest
are
last
victim
Prime Minister, Berlusconi, to A SPECIAL needs teacher who
give the bill’s draft - which was
a
had filed a complaint about being
introduced last year by Paola
majority (72%) of the 1.181
discriminated by her boss and
Concia and has been stuck in
Turks who took part, think that
her teacher colleagues after they
Parliament - his support.
homosexuals shouldn’t be open
learned that she is a lesbian, was
about their sexuality.
awarded 15.000 £.
ACCORDING by
TO
a
survey
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Movie Review: “The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister” “The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister” is the true story of Anne Lister (1791-1840), a Yorkshire landowner, industrialist and lesbian. BBC created a series out of Anne’s coded diaries and Ley reviews it for us and for all those out there who haven’t been in a position to see it yet. By: Ley THE DRAMA FOLLOWS Anne Lister’s
me’ … or in bed… or even in a bath. I’m
complete love for Mariana, who holds
starting to rethink my definition of the
such power over Anne that she can do
term now, and consider changing it.
no wrong in Anne’s eyes, no matter
her happy ending with? Tib: her oldest friend who loves her completely and would do anything for
how often Anne’s friend Tib warns her
Anne “kisses” a few different ladies
her?
of Mariana’s unworthiness of Anne.
in the course of the drama, and flirts
Miss Walker: a shy woman who
with quite a few more, including young
takes Anne by surprise by returning a
Anne and Mariana’s relationship is the
Miss Brown who has an interesting
soft peck on the lips with a full blown
sort of on-again-off-again love with a
conversation with Anne about, erm, to
“kiss”?
twist: Mariana’s married to the elderly,
put it bluntly… penetration!
Miss Brown: a young woman who
overweight widow called Mr. Lawton.
is enthralled in every word that Anne
Anne is devastated when she learns of
Anne: Do I scare you?
the future marriage and takes Mariana
Miss
out of the room, begging Mariana
penetrating countenance.
woman who strings Anne along as her
to change her mind and to marry
Anne: Sometimes I’m more anxious to
plaything and keeps her hooked by
her instead, to be told by Mariana,
be penetrating than at others.
saying such things as, “Can you ever
“Remember yourself!” In
response
to
Brown:
You
says… have
such
however
thick
with
sexual
innuendo it may be? Or Mariana: the
love anyone else?” You’ll just need to
Mariana’s
wedding announcement, Anne makes the decision to wear black from now on to “Free myself from the tyranny of fashion,” … starting on the day of Mariana’s wedding. On leaving the church, Mariana tells Anne that she will write to her from her new home, and Anne asks, “Why?!”
“I’m starting to rethink my definition of kissing.”
watch it to find out. The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister is not my usual viewing choice, but I will gladly hold my hands up and admit that I really liked it! The acting was honest and realistic, the love scenes were true and natural looking. Anne is played by Maxine Peake, who I tend to think of playing the role of Twinkle in Victoria Wood’s
Mariana floats in and out of Anne’s
She stands up to, and cuts down,
hit TV series Dinnerladies. With her
life as and when she pleases, much
the bullish Mr. Rawson, who her Uncle
overall, grumpy mood and sarcastic
to the dismay of Anne’s oldest and
is trying to convince her is a good
comment
dearest friend Tib, who just so happens
suitor. Really Mr. Rawson is a complete
Twinkle was for me the signature role
to be completely in love with Anne
loser who only wants to mine Anne’s
for Maxine… until now.
herself.
grounds. No, not metaphorically ladies,
at
every
possible
turn,
literally. Honestly, would I ever imply
Maxine’s portrayal of such a historic
include
such things?! Anne teams up with
lesbian was done with care, respect,
kisses. Yes, as normal as this sounds,
shy Miss Walker to beat Mr. Rawson
and poignancy, and for that she is no
trust me when I say their definition
in business… and they celebrate with
longer Twinkle for me, but Miss Anne
of a kiss is far different from ours: in
a “kiss”.
Lister.
Mariana’s
visits
tend
to
this drama it means something a little more along the lines of ‘Kissing against
So, after all that mining, “kissing” and
a tree while you have your way with
flirting, which woman does Anne have
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LesBian Life: Deciding to have or not to have kids In this edition of LesBian Life, Anna talks about having kids. What emotional choices do you have to make when you choose to become a mom and what extra issues does being a lesBian mom bring? Anna tries to unravel her inner turmoil. By: Anna McFaith are
mothered by me, one by my girlfriend.
There are lots of creatures in nature
(supposed to be) biologically destined
Who will go first isn’t clear yet, neither
able to change their sex, but not us.
to have them and while I, at 24, feel
is our solution in the event of twins.
We have built our entire society and
KIDS.
IT
SEEMS
us
women
no need to hurry along and do so, my
sexuality around two genders, set in
girlfriend and I have a shortlist of baby
I haven’t done my research yet.
stone. Yes, we can change our body to
names at the ready. My girlfriend, who
I don’t know about donors in the
look like that of the opposite sex, but
is an artist, has even started thinking
Netherlands and I don’t know how long
the process is far from perfect and no
about what kind of mural to make for
it might take to get pregnant. I don’t
surgery or process in the conceivable
the nursery.
even know if I’m able to have children
future will allow me to merge my DNA
or if my girlfriend is. A large part of my
with that of my girlfriend and create
It’s a tiny bit worrying to me that in
worries about having children stems
a child.
ten years at most, I’ll have little ones
from the hassle involved in actually
running around. It worries me even
conceiving them. As a lesbian, I’m not
Before last week, all I thought about
more that, because of our situation,
in the questionably envious position to
when I thought of having children
we have to start making the effort to
get pregnant without help.
with my partner was creating a loving
have them years earlier.
family that shows our commitment to I haven’t been thinking about these
each other and this new life. A chance
My girlfriend and I want to have
things for long; in fact, it was only last
to pass on our morals, thoughts and
children of our own. We thought about
week I got reminded of the mountain
ideas. I have no qualms about loving
adoption and we agree that it is a very
of work ahead of us as my dad dropped
a child without my DNA. I’m sure that
good thing to do. It is just not for us.
off my baby albums. I’m not feeling
I would love a child mothered by my
No particular reason, but we both want
my biological clock yet, but I was
girlfriend and a donor just as much
to have a child with our DNA. The plan
suddenly a little sad, thinking about
as a child with my (and, if it were
right now? We want two children, one
the unfairness of the human body.
possible, her) DNA. One of the major points of discussion between my girlfriend and me is the donor. I don’t want to know him. Really, even thinking about looking at his profile puts me off. I’ve accepted that I can’t have biological children with my girlfriend but I don’t like to be reminded of that fact. My girlfriend on the other hand, would like to at least have a couple of meetings with the donor, see if he ‘clicks’ with our way of living. When I asked her why she feels meeting the man is so important, she told me that a piece of paper with a description can never give a good
Me and my mom. Image property of Anna McFaith
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picture of his views of the world or any social awkwardness.
LesBian Life: Deciding to have or not to have kids
Me at age 1; so gay already! Image property of Anna McFaith
“We hope our children will stand up for themselves with words.” She wants to give the children the
of the many fears potential mothers
into it. We hope that our kisses will be
biggest chance of success in this
need to overcome.
enough to make the pain go away—
already hostile world.
any pain. While being born to gay parents
It is our greatest worry; will the
can be a handicap, it can also be a
We hope we can teach them to stand
children’s lives be affected negatively
good thing for their emotional and
up for themselves with words, not
by
two
psychological development. The study
violence. We have a lot to teach and a
mothers? And if yes, is it worth it? Can
we have posted on page 18 and 19
lot of love to give. We’re going to pray
we consciously bring two children into
came out just a little after I wrote
it’ll be enough to make our children
this world with a social disadvantage?
this column and it has helped me
healthy, happy and good people.
all new. all european. all lesbian.
all new. all european. all lesbian.
the
fact
that
they
have
overcome many of my fears. In it, We are hoping our love and tutelage
researchers claim that children born
will help our children see beyond the
in lesBian families often thrive in spite
shortcomings of those around them.
(and maybe because) of their mother’s sexual orientation. It’s a reassuring
We posted this column on eurOut.org
thought and one I cherish.
a while back and I received wonderful reactions from our readers. It seems
All in all, we hope the world will have
these fears are universal but only one
changed a little when our kids come
MORE: For the original article and the comments on it: http://bit.ly/euroutlesbianlife-kids
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When are you really out? As a new column about the process of coming out as a lesbian is featured on the “Times Online” website, Gwen tackles the difficult subject of deciding when you are really out. By:Gwen; Image copyright: Ley
SOMETIMES I REMIND myself that
that anyone knows, but I still have
writer comes out “one week at a time”.
two years ago, I wouldn’t even have
some trouble saying it to people’s
The writer gets asked if she’s bringing
dreamed of being so out like I am right
faces. Sometimes nobody notices that
“her man” to things a lot, and with
now. So out that I would discuss the
I’m queer, sometimes (well, twice so
it she gives a perfect example of the
progress of gay rights in the United
far) I have people shout it at me in
continued process of coming out. It is
States in an Italian restaurant with
the street. That basically boils down
also pretty much what goes on in my
five friends I met in university, four
to fashion choices. I do, however,
head every time someone asks if I
of which straight. Just for the sake of
generally assume you to know as soon
have a boyfriend, and I’m never sure
having a ‘pinch-me-moment’.
as I added you on Facebook, which
what I would prefer to answer.
has the convenient “Interested in” box Somehow though, I (and I think a
and has me always ticking “Attending”
As long as I don’t have a girlfriend,
lot of people) have come to define ‘out’
on queer events I’m attending. I also
there’s no reason to go: “No, but…”
as something you can be in different
have a strict ‘no relatives’ rule when it
There’s
gradations. Out to yourself, out to
comes to Facebook.
existence of. It seems pretty strange to
your parents, out to your friends, out
no
one
I’m
denying
the
come out every time someone asks me
to your entire family, out to the world.
About a week ago I was chatting to
if I have a boyfriend, especially when I
It’s like a scale, and ‘out to the world’
a girl I have some courses with, and
am under the impression I’m already
is the ‘best’ place to be on the scale.
the inevitable boyfriend question came
out to them. Maybe they don’t want
up. The answer is, no, I don’t have
to discuss it. Maybe they think they’d
In some situations it is. You never
one, but I wouldn’t mind having one
make me uncomfortable. Maybe I’m
have to lie to anyone, you never have
either. Then I just waited for the next
just not honest enough. Maybe (please
to pretend, you never have to feel like
question (I don’t have a girlfriend but I
don’t make me type this) I’m not even
there are certain things you want to do
wouldn’t mind having one either), until
as out as I think I am.
that you can’t do. In other situations,
she went on to a different topic. She
lying is easier or safer, you have the
didn’t ask and I didn’t speak up.
honor of your family to protect, you
If you frowned at “one week at a time”, to me it sounded like she had
know for sure you are going to get
“I bat for the other team, you see.
a quota each week as well, but I think
married to someone of the opposite
I’m not the marrying, nor the flower-
all it means is she will be writing an
sex later, whether you want to or
arranging kind. (Just say it!) I have
article every week. Judging by her
not. In China, for instance, they even
an alternative lifestyle. I’m a sister.
first article, she will probably be quite
have internet sites where lesbians can
God! I’m gay.”
funny through all that and give some
arrange to marry gay men.
insight into her life as a lesbian, also to This quote is from an article at
straight people who happen to surf the
I’m not sure where I am on the scale I
website Times Online, which is the
Times Online website.
just made up. I usually don’t care
start of a new series in which a lesbian The question is: where is the line
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When are you really out? between being out and not always proclaiming you’re gay? Do you have to go around telling everyone you meet? Or, in the case of this girl I have some courses with this year, but probably won’t next year, do I just over. Do I need her to know? A few days back, I heard someone say that the ‘Western model’ of coming out and being full-time gay all the time after that was not necessarily the model people in other parts of the world should try to emulate. Back to the beginning of this post: in China, there are websites on which gay men can find lesbians to marry. In many countries, family is an issue bigger than it is in Europe or in my own
“LesBian Life: The continued process of coming out” at eurOut. org http://bit.ly/ eurout-continuedcoming-out
Further Reading
leave it? The academic year is almost
“Coming out of the closet as a lesbian” at Times Online http://bit. ly/times-onlinecoming-out
country, the Netherlands. The majority of people in the United States don’t think gay people should be allowed to get married, as proven by the recent Prop 8 and the rejection of the samesex marriage law in Maine. I think whether to be out to the world or not is something that is for everyone to decide individually. It is not the top of the scale, it is not the ‘best’ place to be. There is no hierarchy. Do I need everyone to know I’m bisexual who ever asked me if I had a boyfriend yet? Well, not really. I actually don’t think there’s something wrong with that as long as I don’t feel like I’m outright lying, which I know is a slippery slope, but most of the time I don’t. People who are reasonably close to me all know who I am, and my sexuality is a part of that. As for the writer for Times Online, her situation is a little different than mine: she is in a relationship. It makes all the sense in the world it becomes all new. all european. all lesbian.
all new. all european. all lesbian.
more important to speak out more often once there is a girlfriend or wife involved, and I wish her all the best on her journey.
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Studying LesBians Is a gay-friendly work environment profitable? In this edition of Studying Lesbians, Natazzz ponders and discusses a recent study about profitable effects of a gay-friendly work environment. By: Natazzz
I AM VERY lucky to work at a
is the general atmosphere at work,
is profitable or not. Therefore, it’s
university, where in general the work
which for a big part is decided by the
much more effective to tell companies
environment is very gay-friendly. I
management of the company you
that being gay-friendly can make
have always been surrounded by out
work for.
them money instead of that it’s “the
colleagues and I’ve never encountered
right thing to do”.
any problems regarding my sexual
When the people in charge are
orientation at work. Unfortunately, not
very
towards
I was very interested to hear about a
everyone is as lucky.
people’s individual differences, this
research report that was published in
will influence the rest of the workers
the Netherlands last week that looked
What makes a work environment
as
sexual
into the pros of a gay-friendly work
gay-friendly is probably a combination
orientation as not a big deal or
environment on the Dutch business
of several factors, including the line of
because homophobia isn’t tolerated.
world.
positive
well.
Either
and
by
open
seeing
work you’re in and what kind of people work there.
study
was
conducted
There can be many different reasons
Economics, who asked the SEOR to
for why the company you work for is
look into it last summer.
One of the major influences on how
gay-friendly or not, but a big influence
gay-friendly your place of work is,
for most bosses is whether something
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The
in name of the Dutch Ministry of
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Studying LesBians Is a gay-friendly work environment profitable? The first thing I noticed was the
This
increasing
The report stresses that good reasons
difference between how the report
awareness, being supportive and a
to implement diversity plans are that
was
media
whole list of other stuff that sort of
they don’t really cost that much,
and what the report really said. For
speaks for itself as things that would
that the labour market is changing
example, Dutch LGBT youth website
improve our positions at work.
and
discussed
in
the
gay
mainly
includes
Expreszo wrote that a gay-friendly
becoming
more
diverse,
and
the importance of corporate social
work environment lowers costs and
Benefits for companies are mainly on
responsibility. I wonder if that’s enough
increases market share. In addition,
the individual level, like: if you can be
to have those companies that aren’t
the GayKrant’s headline was “Visibility
out at work and be yourself without
that gay-friendly yet switch practices.
gay workers good for companies.”
getting hassled, you are a happier and
“Diversity plans don’t really cost that much.”
All in all it’s an interesting and much needed study, but unfortunately like many of these reports, the results aren’t very specific or conclusive. They suggest more research is needed to give a clearer picture, which in other words means it will be a while before all new. all european. all lesbian.
something will really be done. This is mainly because that’s what
more productive worker, you don’t call
the press release said that’s been sent
in sick as often, etc. They name other
around. However, when you read the
advantages, but I’m not sure if every
actual research report, they are far
company wants things like “a gay-
less positive and certain than that. In
friendly image”.
fact, the main conclusion of the study They also list reasons that prevent
starts with:
companies from having a gay-friendly “There is insufficient hard evidence
policy,
to prove that diversity pays and that
understanding
economic advantages can therefore
diversity policy, management worrying
be gained
from effective
including
management
the
importance
not of
diversity
about their image, or management
policy and a good working climate
simply thinking there’s no need for
for homosexuals in particular. The
diversity as they aren’t aware of their
business case is therefore not strong.”
closeted workers.
Now, that doesn’t sound very positive
Reading through the report I noticed
to me. I do have to admit that the rest
that even though more and more
of the report is rather positive and goes
companies have some sort of diversity
into much detail about every way in
policy on paper, there are still only
which having a more gay-friendly work
few Dutch companies who actively do
environment can benefit companies.
something with it.
For
example,
specific
I am not sure whether this is worrying
companies
or that perhaps things aren’t that bad in
could do to be more gay-friendly,
many companies and no specific plans
including
recognition
need to be in place. Unfortunately, the
and acknowledgement to the specific
report doesn’t go into detail about this.
suggestions giving
they
give
what more
position of homosexuals at the place of work.
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MORE: For a translation of the Dutch research report go to: http://bit.ly/nlmineconomics-report
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Study shows children of lesBian parents thrive A newly published study conducted in America shows that children raised by mothers in planned lesbian families do significantly better than their heterosexually raised peers. We give you the highlights of the research, the criticism on it and the implications for the lesBian community. By: Anna McFaith CHILDREN OF LESBIAN parents thrive.
“I was surprised to find that on some
communication, being there in their
It’s a bold statement to make and one
measures we found higher levels of
schools, finding out what is going on in
not made lightly. American professor
[psychological] competency and lower
their schools and various aspects of the
of Law and Psychology Nanette Gartrell
levels of behavioural problems.”
children’s lives is very, very important.”
Bos followed 154 women in 84 families
It doesn’t seem to matter if the mothers
While heterosexual parents are often
who underwent artificial insemination
stayed together or separated during the
involved in their children’s lives as well,
to start a family for nearly 25 years.
kid’s childhood. These children still score
Gartrell suspects same-sex mothers
The mothers were interviewed during
higher in social, academic and total
often make that kind of parenting more
pregnancy or the insemination process,
competence than the children born into
of a priority.
and additionally when the children were
a heterosexual household.
and Dutch behavioural scientist Henny
2, 5, 10 and 17 years old.
“I was surprised. We simply expected to find no difference.”
The research was focused solely on lesBian women; the situation of gay men is noticeably different and could not be concluded in this round of research. Gartrell does hope to include children of gay men one day. Conclusions The research concluded that children raised by lesBian mothers — whether the mother was partnered or single —
Maybe even more importantly; while
LesBian mothers know that their child
scored very similarly to children raised
41% of the children endured some
will most likely be bullied or hurt because
by heterosexual parents on measures of
teasing
of the sexual orientation of their parents
development and social behaviour.
of
their
and
discrimination
lesBian
mothers,
because none
of
and subjects like tolerance, sexuality
the children were found to have any
and diversity will often be addressed at a
This outcome was expected; what the
differences on psychological adjustment
much earlier age. This helps the bonding
researchers didn’t expect was to discover
tests in regards to the group of matched
process and gives the children more
that children in lesbian homes scored
controls.
confidence to face the world. It might
higher than kids in straight families on
also make them more socially involved
some psychological measures like self-
Resistance
esteem and confidence. They even did
Gartrell and Bos say further research
better academically and were less likely
is necessary to exclusively say why
Having kids is not a sure thing for
to have behavioural problems, such as
children from lesbian families grow up as
women
rule-breaking and aggression.
concluded, but Gartrell does have some
This might play a large part in the
ideas to share:
involvement of the mothers in the child’s
“We
simply
expected
to
find
no
at a later age.
in
a
lesbian
relationship.
lives as well as the outcome of the
difference in psychological adjustment
“[Lesbian parents] are very involved
study. “[The children] didn’t arrive by
between adolescents reared in lesbian
in their children’s lives and that is a
accident,” Gartrell writes. “The mothers
families and the normative sample of
great recipe for healthy outcomes for
were older... they were waiting for an
age-matched controls,” Gartrell states.
children. Being present, having good
opportunity to have children and age
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Study shows children of lesBian parents thrive brings maturity and better parenting.”
release,” Wright protests. Another sore
sexual orientation are not justified.”
“Growing up in households with less
point according to Wright: studies have
For two renowned scientists to state
power assertion and more parental
shown that children thrive having both a
something like this is groundbreaking.
involvement has been shown to be
mother and a father. Combine this report with the Danish,
associated with healthier psychological adjustment,” Gartrell wrote in the study
“You have to be a little suspicious
German and very recent Stonewall
in regards to the children’s healthy and
of any study that says children being
report and you end up with a very
resilient state of mind.
raised by same-sex couples do better
positive and inspiring message: children
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all new. all european. all lesbian.
or have superior outcomes to children
grow up healthy and happy because of
Research
raised with a mother and father,” she
parenting and not because of who their
The research was done by means of the
said. “It just defies common sense and
parents are, or of which sex.
Child Behaviour Checklist which, I think,
reality.”
is a fairly standard way of researching The author of the study, Dr. Nanette
The research was funded by several gay
Gartrell,
advocacy groups which, combined with
research by writing, “funding sources
the results, led to a variety of outcries
played no role in the design or conduct
from Christian organizations.
of the study.”
Wendy
Wright,
defends
herself
and
her
the
“My personal investment is in doing
Concerned Women for America (a group
reputable research,” she said. “This is
that supports biblical values), is sure
a straightforward statistical analysis.
that the whole study is biased because
It will stand and it has withstood very
of its funding:
rigorous peer review by the people who
president
of
make the decision whether or not to “This
study
was
clearly
designed
publish it.”
to come out with one outcome -- to attempt to sway people that children
Implications
are not detrimentally affected in a
The implications of the research are
homosexual
huge. Gartrell states in her report:
household.
The
author
[of the report] can cherry pick people
“restrictions
of
who are involved and the info they
reproductive
technologies
child
custody based
and
“Results of research study into German LGBT families” http:// bit.ly/eurout-germanstudy “Lesbians’ kids have a stronger psyche” http://bit.ly/euroutdanish-study “The experiences of children with lesbian and gay parents” (by Stonewall) http://bit. ly/stonewall-differentfamilies
on
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Further Reading:
the feelings and behaviours of children.
We Are Everywhere
By: Natazzz
Here is your overview of everything that happened and is about to happen in the world of European lesBian entertainment. We’ll keep you up-to-date on all the latest events and movie releases, what’s been happening in TV land and who did what to whom.
Radio:
Music: Belgium
Q-music
NATHALIE
DELPORTE
radio
DJ
and
her
wife Ilse de Gendt are expecting their second child. The newest addition to the family will arrive in November, and will be a little brother or sister for 18-month old Aimée, who the couple just finished adoption proceedings of.
TV-land: We previously reported that Belgian LGBT organisation WEL JONG, NIET HETERO (“Young,
Billie Myers BILLIE MYERS has recently launched a LGBT youth depression awareness project, doing her bit by being the spokesperson for the JED foundation.
But Not Straight”) were making a documentary about the contrast between Pride in Lithuania and Belgium. Well,
TV-land:
Movies:
The new French reality TV show
British actress JUNO TEMPLE
DELUDE ME IF YOU CAN, features
will be starring in the lesBian
both a gay male and a lesbian
werewolf movie Jack & Diane.
couple. I’m not sure we should be
‘LesBian werewolf movie’
happy about this, although one
sounds a lot like ‘lesBian
could argue that any representation
vampire movie’, and we all know
is good representation.
how that turned out. Badly.
Books: A new Dutch children’s book has been released entitled ACTIE VOOR ONZE ROZE JUF (“Action for Our Pink Teacher”) by author Netty Kaathoven. It tells the story of a school class whose parents protest when the lesbian teacher gets a permanent position and the kids come into action to make sure they keep the nice lady. It also contains stories by kids with gay parents and other information about rainbow families. You can order ‘Actie voor onze roze juf’ at the following link: http://bit.ly/nl-pink-teacher
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the preview of the documentary has just been released and it looks really interesting and like something I can’t wait to watch. Unfortunately, we are going to have to wait until September for the entire movie. You can search for the preview of Two Prides, Two Worlds… One Europe? on YouTube.com
We Are Everywhere Events:
TV-land: We’re sorry to say the SOPHIAN storyline on CORONATION STREET hasn’t gotten any decent airtime in weeks, yet everywhere we keep reading about it. This includes coverage like a piece from website TV.com in which is said that apparently people seem to think
UK
the actresses are in a relationship together for real.
The LOVE BOX SUMMER FESTIVAL is taking place in
Seriously?
London between July 16 and July 18 and they recently announced this week that they’ve partnered up with Stonewall for the event. Find out more at
Movies:
www.lovebox.net Emmanuelle Béart and Béatrice Dalle are about to THE NETHERLANDS
star as lovers in the new movie Bye Bye Blondie,
The second edition of LESBIAN PRIDE will take place
which will start shooting at the end of the month.
during Pride Week in Amsterdam at the first week of
The movie tells the story of a love affair between two
August. Go to www.stichtingondersteboven.nl for details.
women, one of which is a famous movie star married to a gay man in order to keep up appearance.
POLAND A ‘GAY LOVE’ exhibition has opened in the museum of Warsaw, Poland, and will run until September. It is said that the organisers hope it will provoke discussion and
Movie Hotness:
improve understanding in a country that isn’t all that tolerant towards homosexuality. I doubt they have any success with the latter as the exhibition mainly features nude males.
TV-land: I don’t get to write about ARMENIA much and I think it’s a shame that when I do, it’s in a negative way. In Armenian band VO.X.’s latest music video they list all the things that are wrong with the country, including perversion, with which they mean homosexuality. To make matters worse, the band has gone out of their way this week to defend their stance, as if there’s ever an excuse to be homophobic.
TV-land: Danish singer and composer Anne Linnet has married her girlfriend, who is also expecting their first child. The two of them haven’t been very public about their
LISBETH SALANDER (star of the Millennium movies)
relationship until now.
is number 98 on Entertainment Weekly’s 100 Greatest
More entertainment news at:
eurOut.org
Characters of the Last 20 Years list. Check out the list here: http://bit.ly/popwatch-100-characters
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First Bratislava Pride disrupted, but still successful On Saturday, May 22, the first ever Slovak Pride Parade took place in Bratislava. But alas, Dúhový Pride was not without disruptions. Joan tells you about what went on. By: Joan ACCORDING
however, that there were right-wing
(“Slovak Togetherness”), a far-right
LGBT
extremists along this route. When on
group, had even announced counter-
had
top of everything a tear gas grenade
protests “for the future of family,
gathered for the Pride parade. Before
was launched, it was finally decided
against perverts” beforehand.
the parade itself had even started, a
to walk directly to the place where
rally for LGBT rights was interrupted
the afterparty was going to be held,
“I was particularly proud of the
by
taking the bridge across the Danube
participants, who didn’t panic and
accompanied by police protection.
showed a lot of courage,” commented
Parliament’s Rights,
a
TO
about
group
THE
European
Intergroup 1.000
of
on people
neo-Nazi
counter-
protesters. Ulrike Lunacek, Member of the European Parliament (Green Party
US chargé d’affaires Keith Eddins in
Austria), who was giving a speech at
“What shocked us all was not the
the rally, wrote in her blog that the
handful of hateful bigots on hand, but
protesters had tried to hit her with
the collective indifference of ‘normal’
To have this courage, to go out there
small stones.
Slovaks to this hatred, so eloquently
and be proud of who we are, to show
expressed in the reluctance of our
the world around us, again and again,
Lunacek also says that after two
protectors,” said Tom Nicholson on
that yes, we are here, we are queer
young gay men were beaten up on
website The Slovak Spectator.
and they’ll just have to get used to it,
their way from the rally, all participants
The Slovak Spectator.
is what Pride Parades are about. And
were asked to remove rainbow flags or
The
other visible signs when moving away
were
organisers
Pride
even if they knew that there would
police
be others trying to stop them, even
from police protected parts of the rally
hadn’t been better prepared, it says
if the police didn’t always provide the
or parade for their own safety.
on another Slovak website. Slovakia
protection they’d hoped for, people in
is still a very conservative country
Bratislava did have the heart to go out
The Pride march had been planned
and this was the first Pride parade;
and show who they are. In this sense
to lead right through Bratislava’s city
the police should have anticipated
I do think that Dúhový Pride was a
centre. It became increasingly clear,
complications. Slovenska Pospolitost
success.
disappointed
of
Dúhový
that
the
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Interview: lesbian film maker Mariel Macia
A few months ago we featured an article on eurOut.org about Enik Producciones, the Spanish film production company which focuses on lesBian films, and its awesome woman in charge, Mariel Macia. Since then, we were lucky enough to interview the awesome woman herself, so sit back and relax as you learn about such an amazing woman. By: Ley
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Interview: lesbian film maker Mariel Macia
eurOut:
Could
you
introduce
yourself to our readers and tell them a bit about yourself? Mariel: It’s always very difficult to talk about oneself. I think I can say I’m a filmmaker, a theatre director, the Head of Industry and Market for LesGaiCineMad Film Festival, an expert in new technologies but I’m also several other things: I’m a woman, a very loved daughter and wife, a proud lesbian, a curious traveller, a student of life, sometimes like a child, sometimes like an old tired person trying to rest, always looking for experiences, for surprises, working to build a warm home for my children to come in some years time, sometimes independent, sometimes looking for a big hug, just a human being, with many problems and many solutions, with sad and happy
memories,
with
incredible
people around me of whom I’m very proud of, with a lot of things to learn and a lot of people to learn from, with some things to teach and some people to teach them to. And a lot more and I’m sure a bit less, because the vision that I can have of myself is so partial. Just Mariel Macia. You studied Image and Sound Design at the University of Buenos Aires and then specialized in Film Direction in Madrid: did you always know you wanted to be involved in creating films? Before wanting to be a filmmaker I wanted to be an astronaut, a soccer player, an Olympic athlete, a piano player, a guitar player, a dancer, a flight attendant, a journalist, a tourist guide, a teacher, a psychologist, an actress and then a filmmaker, in this exact order. Mariel Macia
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Interview: lesbian film maker Mariel Macia
When I was in secondary school, I
written: where do you get your
the Park (“Flores en el Parque”) won
attended an art school where I learned
ideas for the storylines?
Best Shortfilm and Best Spanish Film,
some literature, music, photography, acting,
puppets,
From many places, I’m always having
where competing. All the attention,
enriching to my life and I decided
ideas, some of them are very silly
the
to
directing
and go to the trash immediately, but
festival that is quite big… it was all
and acting at the same school and I
with some others I just write them
really astonishing because it was the
understood that what I wanted was to
down, look at them later and write a
premiere of the short, the first time it
direct more than to act. When it was
little more and eventually something
was shown in front of the audience.
time to decide what to choose to study
that was only an idea can become a
The award gave me new confidence to
at University, and understanding that
script. Life is so diverse, so surprising,
keep working. Confidence that I didn’t
it was too late to be an astronaut - and
so deep and so superficial at the same
have at that moment.
anyways it wasn’t as funny like it looks
time, life is full of ideas. What I try
on TV - I decided to study Image and
to do is find my voice about these
The second one was a great surprise,
Sound Design at University, where I
ideas. I try to make the audience feel
I didn’t expect it either. It was really
learned about design of contents for
moved and think about when they are
amazing to win the award two times
film, TV, internet, etc. Then I decided
watching my films or plays. I work a
in a row. It was the second time
to specialize in Film Direction and go
lot on my scripts, it’s the base of my
that happened during that particular
to Europe to do so, and here I am
work. There is nothing else possible if
festival: the other one was the Oscar
now,
Madrid.
you don’t have a good script; at least
award winning director Debra Chassnof
Sometimes, because I really do travel
the best script you think you can write.
with two of her documentaries. It
in
sometimes
It
theatre,
living
was
where feature and documentary films
so
specialize
etc.
in
a lot, which I love. You set up Enik Producciones; what made you decide to set up your own film company? I think like many other young film directors do at the beginning, because
it’s
almost
impossible
“I try to make the audience feel moved” won
the
the
audience
at
this
was great to have the support from the jury and the audience. Maybe the difference was that I was more confident and knew a bit better how to capitalize the award: for example I think there are one or two photographs of the first award, but for the second one there are many photographs,
that some producer wants to listen
You
to you if you cannot show your talent
award
on a produced film. So I decided to
International
learn to be a producer and to produce
Film
my films. I have many stories of
for “Flores en el Parque (o los
producers telling me stupid things, but
primeros besos)” and then again
Would you say there was more
I don’t want to focus on that now. I
in 2006 for “A Domicilio (o incluso
pressure on you to win the award
just want to thank them for making
también
in 2007 having won it the previous
me more independent. And now I have
mean more than the other to win?
many projects and so much freedom
Or are they both equally as heart-
to work in projects and to choose my
warming to be awarded with?
at
Short
Film
interviews and press releases, etc. I
LesGaiCineMad
(the
think that was a good thing, because
Gay/Lesbian
as a filmmaker I want to make more
Festival
el
Best
press,
Madrid)
amor…)”:
in
2005
Did
one
content. We are a little group with a
projects and that kind of thing helps.
year? Quite the opposite, I thought that because I won the previous year,
little budget but we are very active
They are different and they are both
there was very little possibility to win
and learning very fast, I’m very proud
very important to me. The first one
the next. But anyways, I never feel
of my team.
was a really big surprise: I didn’t
any pressure to win an award or the
expect to win at all because it’s a little
other, it’s something that you cannot
Many of the films you’ve been
tiny short, only two actresses, a park,
do anything about, just work to make
involved in directing, you’ve also
a flower… very low-budget. Flowers at
a good film and then get many people
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to see it, then the awards will either
these experiences in different places.
and we’ve sold out every time. We are
arrive or not. There are so many great
As my experience grew bigger and
on tour now with the second season of
films and so little awards to be given.
bigger, the conferences came. I love
the play and also launched a reduced
to talk to and meet people, I’m very
version, which is called MbF exprés,
Since 2009 you have been more
stimulated by the idea of making more
which is designed to be shown in other
involved with LesGaiCineMad than
young people, especially women, feel
spaces than theatres.
with
your
confident to be independent and do
films: can you tell our readers a
projects, to talk about lesbian cinema
Have
little about your role as Head of
in any forum and promote LGBT films
theatre for a while?
Industry and Market?
where I can.
winning
awards
for
As the Head of Industry and Market I’m responsible for organizing the LGTB Film Market. This is the first one in the world: design the strategy, organize
debates
and
seminars,
you
had
an
interest
in
“Theater was my first interest.”
events and guest coordination and project
Your newest project is a theatrical
Theatre was my first interest, when I
worldwide. It’s a really interesting
piece this time instead of another
didn’t even dream of film. So I’m very
job; so stimulating and so important
film: can you tell the readers about
happy to be able to come back to it.
for filmmakers, because the SFM is
“Monólogos de Bollería Fina”?
the
presentation
of
the
Is there much difference between
a marketplace where producers and sales companies of the films in the
Monólogos
catalogue license films to distributors.
be
It’s a booking place for international
Monologues”,
where
film
means
which
festival
programmers
to
find
de
translated Pastry,
Bollería as
Fina
“Fancy
can
Pastry
putting on a theatrical production and a film?
‘Bollería’ Spanish
Yes, a lot of differences, but I think
contents for their own film festivals.
slang for lesbian. It is a theatre
is
differences are very exciting. The
It’s a training event on independent
play that talks about the reality of
great thing about theatre is that you
film production and distribution. It’s a
female homosexuality in a comedy
get to connect with the audience and
meeting point for independent cinema
style. Trying to get away from the
you see their reactions and can talk
industry members where professional
stereotypical social image of lesbians
with everybody. That’s so important to
meetings, receptions and parties take
and reaching all the audiences that
grow as an artist.
place. It’s not audience-oriented: only
can find a social, fresh comedy in the
accredited industry members are able
play.
to attend SFM events. These are very
With film it is different. Maybe, if you’re lucky enough, you can travel to film
demanding months of the year, a lot
With the script I tried to name all the
festivals and see the audience, which
of hard work, but a great experience
prejudices and show that those are not
is really amazing because you can see
and I love it.
real at all. The idea is to show human
Danish people laughing to a Spanish
relations and engage the audience
film, for instance. It’s so culturally
You’re also involved in several
with humour, showing that lesbians
enriching, don’t you think? But it’s
different
workshops
are everywhere, not only in dark
not that usual that you can travel
and conferences: how did you get
rooms in some gay neighbourhood:
that much. Also, since the play is in
involved in those?
that we are integrated in society and
Spanish it’s very difficult to travel with
also have the same happiness and
it to non-Spanish speaking countries,
problems that everyone else has.
and even to Spanish speaking ones
seminars,
It was kind of natural I think. As I do many things and have a lot of different
the logistics are much more expensive
responsibilities and experiences, some
I’m very happy with the success of the
so it just stays in Spain. At least for
people started to ask me to share
play, the audiences are very supportive
now, you never know.
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Interview: lesbian film maker Mariel Macia
And
anything
The film market is so competitive,
So
else you want to share with our
finally,
is
there
very monopolized for big companies,
everyone that has watched my film
readers?
and the small ones can be pushed into
on YouTube paid 1 euro for it; then I
the background so easily. I will send
could be making my film. Just some
I want to thank you, the film festival
just a thought to the audience: if you
thoughts to share, maybe a thing to
programmers,
imagine
a
nice
world
where
all new. all european. all lesbian.
all new. all european. all lesbian.
experienced
want more lesbian cinema, support
discuss between lesbian cinema fans.
directors that help me understand my
the
the lesbian filmmakers that you like.
I’m sure that together we can sort
career and to see it through, but most
There is an incredibly large amount of
something out, we will!
of all I want to thank the audience:
lesbian directors that can make only
they are so supportive to my work
one film because they don’t get their
all over the world, they promote my
money back for the great investment
short that is on YouTube and now I
of time and money that they make
have more than 500.000 visits for
to pursue the making of a film. When
Flowers at the Park; you cannot image
people say, “Your shorts are great,
how important it is to support the
are you thinking of making a feature
artist that you like in the promotion of
film?”, I can only say: I’d love to, but
their films, especially when they are
I don’t have the money. I’m working
starting their career.
very hard to get that money, every filmmaker is doing so.
More: For more details on Mariel Macia, Enik Producciones and their many ventures, go to: www.enikpro.com
Macia with the stars from her play Monólogos de Bollería Fina
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Where Are We on TV? “Where Are We on TV?” lists what to look out for in Europe when it comes to TV series with a lesBian storyline, lesBian characters, or just specific TV programs about lesbians.
Belgium Thuis:
chocolate shop, and employs a friend
Coronation Street:
from prison; Anna.
Mon, Thu & Fri at 19:30/20:30 on ITV. We haven’t seen much of lesbian
Mon-Fri at 13:55 on één
Marienhof:
couple Sian and Sophie lately. If the
Mon-Fri at 18:25 on ARD Das Erste.
rumors are correct, we’ll see more of
Kerstin and Juliette decide to make a
them this summer. Stay up-to-date
fresh start in France, which ends this
with the most recent developments at
Finland
lesBian storyline.
bit.ly/eurout-corrie
Thu-Fri at 20:00 on YLE TV1.
The Netherlands
Single lesbian mom Ann is afraid to lose her daughter, Sandrine.
Kotikatu:
This popular Finnish show features Laura and Krisse. Read more about this show at http://bit.ly/kotikatu.
Mon-Fri at 19:30 on MTV3. Heli and Iiris have reconnected and are now a couple. Read more about the lesBian storyline in this show at Read more about the lesBian storyline in this show at http://bit.ly/salatut.
This
Mon-Fri at 20:00 on RTL 4
character Imogen.
decides
to
stay
with
Mon-Fri at 20:00 on BBC Wales
confused friendship with being in love
LesBian character Gwyneth has just
with Isabella, which ends this lesBian
started a relationship with Yvonne, but
storyline.
things are complicated because of her ex-husband who she also has a child
Slovakia features lesbian couple Denisa and
Mondays at 22:15 on M6
Lucia. Read more about it online at
Six-part documentary about couples
http://bit.ly/panelak.
and their sex lives. Features lesbian
Spain
Amar en tiempos revueltos – Airs Mon-Fri ay 16:15 on TVE 1 Ana and Teresa have made a pact
season) with lesbian couple Céline and
never to be separated anymore. Now
Virginie.
they are friends and business partners
soap
(currently
in
its
who will be together forever, or so the pact says.
Germany Lindenstrasse:
Sundays at 18:50 on ARD Das Erste. No sign of lesBian character Tanja
UK
Big Brother
recently, but her ex-girlfriend Steffi is
Daily at 21:00 on Channel 4
still in the picture. After being released
This 11th cycle of the reality series
from
features lesBians Corin and Shabby.
prison
(for
stabbing
people
and drug-dealing), she now owns a
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with. Waterloo Road Wed at 20:00 on BBC1 After being kissed by student Ros, lesBian teacher Jo is suspended, which makes her future at Waterloo Road questionable. The final two episodes of the current season will be airing this
6th
French
lesBian
People of the Valley
Les Français, l’amour et le sexe:
Mon-Fri at 20:10 on France3.
stars
up with Isabella. Ronja realizes she
This popular Slovakian sitcom currently
Plus belle la vie:
soap
her
Mon-Fri at 20:15 on TV JOJ.
couple Angélique and Emilie.
medical
grandmother for a while, and breaks
Panelák:
France
Mon-Fri at 13:45 on BBC1.
Goede Tijden, Slechte Tijden: Ronja
Salatut Elämät:
Doctors:
month. Season 6 is planned for later this year.
A List of Helpful LGBT Organizations per Country EUROPEAN
FRANCE
LITHUANIA
SLOVAKIA
Egalite
Association de Médecins
Lithuanian Gay League
Altera
www.egalite-online.eu
Gais. www.medecins-gays.
www.lgl.lt/indexe.php
www.altera.sk
LGBT Network
com/femmes-entre-elles
www.lgbtnetwork.eu
SOS Homophobie
MALTA
SLOVENIA
IGLYO
www.sos-homophobie.org
Malta Gay Rights Move-
DIH www.dih.si
ment
SkuC-LL
www.maltagayrights.net
www.ljudmila.org/lesbo
MOLDOVA
SPAIN
GenderDoc-M
Federación
www.gay.md/rus
Lesbianas,
www.iglyo.com ILGA Europe
GEORGIA
www.ilga-europe.org
Inclusive Foundation www.inclusive-foundation.org
AUSTRIA
Estatal
GREECE
(RKL) www.rklambda.at/e/
Greek Sapphites
index.htm
www.sapphogr.net
THE NETHERLANDS
www.felgtb.org
Greek Lesbian
COC Nederland
Confederación
www.lesbian.gr
www.coc.nl
de Lesbianas, Gays, Tran-
Outway
sexuales y Bisexuales
www.outway.nl
www.colegaweb.org
BELGIUM
Gays,
de
Rechtskomitee Lambda
sexuales
Çavaria www.cavaria.be Wel Jong Niet Hetero
GERMANY
www.weljongniethetero.be
Lesbian and Gay Fede-
y
Tran-
Bisexuales Española
ration in Germany
NORWAY
SWEDEN
BELARUS
http://typo3.lsvd.
Norwegian National Asso-
Swedish Federation for
TEMA information center
de/229.0.html
ciation for Lesbian and
Lesbian,
Gay Liberation
and Transgender Rights
www.llh.no
www.rfsl.se
www.pride.by HUNGARY BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA
Labrisz
Lesbian
Asso-
Queer Bosnia and Herze-
ciation www.labrisz.hu
govina. www.queer.ba/en BULGARIA Bulgarian
Gay
Organi-
CROATIA
HomO POLAND
www.homo.se
ICELAND
phobia
SWITZERLAND
Samtökin ‘78
http://world.kph.org.pl
Pink Cross
www.samtokin78.is
Lambda Warsaw
www.pinkcross.ch
www.lambdawarszawa.org
INFOBI
IRELAND
www.infobi.net
Gay & Lesbian Equality
PORTUGAL
Network www.glen.ie
ILGA Portugal
TURKEY
www.ilga-portugal.pt
KAOS GL
Kontra www.kontra.hr/cms
ITALY
Opus Gay
www.kaosgl.com
LORI
Arcigay
www.opusgay.org
LEGATO
www.lori.hr
www.arcigay.it
CZECH REPUBLIC
DENMARK
www.unilegato.org
GlobaLES
ROMANIA
www.globa-les.com
ACCEPT
UKRAINE
http://accept-romania.ro
Nash Mir
Gay and Lesbian League www.mujvztah.cz
Bisexual
Campaign Against Homo-
sation Gemini www.bgogemini.org/eng
Gay,
KOSOVO
www.gay.org.ua
QESh
RUSSIA
http://qesh.org
Krilija
UNITED KINGDOM
www.krilija.sp.ru
Stonewall
Danish National Association for Gays and Les-
LATVIA
bians www.lbl.dk
Mozaika
SERBIA
communities.org
www2.mozaika.lv
QueerBeograd
Queer Youth
www.queerbeograd.org
www.queeryouth.org.uk
FINLAND
http://sites.stonewall-
SETA www.seta.fi
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