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Vol. 46, No. 3
(Founded in 1972—Our 534th Consecutive Issue)
F E AT U R E S
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Where Are They Now Posey Family Business
The Leach brothers had always dreamed of running their own business, and just four years ago they brought that dream to life. Today their two companies work in partnership. Gerald Leach, left, runs Leach's Timber Thinning, while his brother Kenneth, right, owns K R Leach Trucking, LLC. Story begins on Page 8. (Jay Donnell photo)
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SOUTHERN STUMPIN’ By David Abbott • Managing Editor • Ph. 334-834-1170 • Fax: 334-834-4525 • E-mail: david@hattonbrown.com
The Man For The Job few weeks ago I made plans with Crad association activities, fiscal policy, training workJaynes, the charismatic and energetic Presishops, and district and annual meetings and reports dent/CEO of the South Carolina Timber Proto the organization’s 11-member board of directors. ducers Assn., to make him the subject of this As the association’s registered lobbyist, he is month’s Southern Stumpin’. I would interview him responsible for legislative activities in Columbia by phone a few days after the end of his organizaand Washington, DC. tion’s annual meeting. He’d have been too busy for In that latter role he speaks to local governing the conversation until then, and I bodies that are implementing policies thought it would be good timing, just impacting loggers, in cooperation with before we got to work on this issue. the South Carolina Forestry CommisBut, when the scheduled day arrived, sion and South Carolina Forestry Crad had come down with a nasty Assn.. “We have a great partnership, case of the flu. and it’s a real pleasure to have that,” We postponed the interview until he says. early the following week. I had Aside from the SCTPA, Crad already been feeling under the weather serves on too many state and national myself for a few days, but not long committees to list here. A few examafter I got off the phone with Crad that Crad Jaynes, President and ples must suffice: National Chairman afternoon, I took a turn for the worse. CEO of South Carolina Tim- of the American Loggers Council’s ber Producers Assn. By the next afternoon, it seemed like Master Logger Certification CommitI, too, had come down with the flu. Turned out to tee; two-term Chairman of the Wood Supply Rebe only a bad respiratory infection, but either way, search Institute. He is also on advisory committees that phone call was bookended by sick days on for Clemson and Horry-Georgetown Technical both sides. College. He is a member of the South Carolina It’s no surprise that Crad Jaynes, who turns a Timber Operations Professional (TOP) Task Force youthful 64 in April, might fall ill right after the and serves as a program instructor. He participates end of the SCTPA annual meeting. Putting it all in the South Carolina Sustainable Forestry Initiatogether sounds exhausting. “In January I might get tive State Implementation Committee. three hours of sleep at night,” he says. “You can get He conducts career days in elementary, middle a little run down.” The meeting, which took place and high schools. He comments: “One of the chalover the weekend before Valentine’s Day, drew a lenges facing our industry is that loggers are getcrowd of more than 400 attendees (that’s way more ting up in age.” than at most state meetings) and a number of noteFor 18 years now, SCTPA has been involved in worthy speakers—consultant and Timber Harvesthosting a Sustainable Forestry Teachers Tour every ing columnist Wendy Farrand; Forest2Market’s June, in another partnership with the Forestry Assn. President/CEO Pete Stewart; Sean Baker with of South Carolina and South Carolina Forestry Forisk Consulting; South Carolina Congressman Commission. For participating, the teachers can Jeff Duncan; former Florida Congressman Steve earn graduate credits towards their continuing eduSoutherland, now Senior Vice President of Capitol cation requirements. The tour offers 30-35 teachers Hill Consulting Group in Washington, DC. an eye-opening, hands-on learning experience with The lineup was typical for the SCTPA event. I the industry. The tour includes visits to private, asked Crad how he pulls it off. “I always realized industrial and public forest lands, a sawmill, paper you have to provide value,” he says. “You have to mill, engineered wood products mill and profesgive them a reason to want to come. I want them to sional logging operation. They learn about Best leave with some added knowledge, whether it Management Practices for enhancing water quality, comes from the speakers or talking to their peers or sustainable timber harvesting practices and all the me or an exhibitor. I hope they learn something products that come from wood or a wood by-prodthey can implement in their business or that stimuuct. Most of these teachers have little if any experilates a thought on how to improve their own opera- ence with the industry and come in with their own tions.” preconceived notions, often negative. After being presented with the facts, they usually leave with a more knowledgable perspective. Educating the Duties educators, Crad notes, is one of the most important At the SCTPA, Crad describes himself as a oneof the organization's efforts. man band, trying to play several instruments at One constant challenge for any association, Crad once. He performs his duties from an office over points out, is that not everybody wants to be join. his garage in Lexington, where he’s lived since “The world exists outside the tract you’re logging graduating from Clemson in 1977. What does the and if you don’t get involved in that world it will head of a state association do? He administers all eat your lunch,” he warns. “Our dues are not that
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high and what you get far outweighs the cost.”
Personal Though a native of South Carolina, Crad actually grew up in Augusta, Ga. His interest in forestry dates to summers he spent working with his uncle Sonny, who was a pulpwood yard manager. He returned to his home state to attend Clemson University, where he graduated with a BS in forest management in 1975 and a Master of Forestry in 1977. Though initially interested in starting a logging business, he started his career in logging equipment sales with John Deere dealer Comer Equipment Co. in Columbia. By 1983 he switched to a job in logging safety and insurance for DavisGarvin Agency, Columbia, where he got to know loggers all over the state and beyond. It was this job that led him to his current position in 1999. “We were having a customer event and I mentioned to Joe Young of Low Country Forest Products and Ben Reavis of Tidewater that I was ready for a change. They asked if I would like to run the logging association.” Soon thereafter SCTPA hired him as its executive director (the position was renamed to President/CEO in 2005). Crad has been married to his wife Brenda for 32 years. Both their children are also Clemson graduates. Son Jason, 30, earned a degree in accounting/financial management and daughter Erin, 26, is a nursing school graduate. Of course, I had to ask him about football. It was scarcely a month before our phone call when his team beat mine for the national championship. A rematch of last year’s game was a possibility he and I had discussed early in the season. “They were two fantastic games,” he says. “The year before it went Alabama’s way, this one went Clemson’s. I was sitting there after the game in a little bit of disbelief, wondering if I was dreaming.” (I felt the same way but for the opposite reason.) While at a Clemson basketball game days later, Crad and Brenda were present for the school’s celebratory parade. “I love what I do,” he declares. Crad says he doesn’t know all the loggers in his state—only 90% of them. “The passion I have for the industry and for the people that I represent drives me to do the best I can in that service.” This year marks the 40th anniversary of his professional association with the logging industry. He doesn’t see it ending yet. “When I first started as a logging equipment rep, one of the first loggers I ever met said he was getting out of this business. He stayed in another 30 years. Our industry is like anything: you do what you love and love what you do. While it is tremendously frustrating at times, I don’t know many loggers who wouldn’t do it all SLT over again.”
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Business Brothers ■ Gerald and Kenneth Leach make an excellent team in North Carolina. By Jay Donnell
Thinning (LTT), and Kenneth Leach, 49, runs the trucking company, K R Leach Trucking LLC (KRL). The brothers had always wanted to own their business and now they are getting that chance. Just four years ago Gerald was running a crew for another timber thinning company, much like he’s done his whole life, but then he decided it was time to go out on his own. “As you’re working for other people you think, darn I’d love to do this for myself one day,” Gerald explains. “We wanted to do our own thing and we finally got that chance.” In 2013, Gerald bought a 525 Cat skidder, 240B Tigercat loader and a 2470 Prentice cutter and started his own thinning operation. His equip-
PIKEVILLE, NC t’s no secret that own★ ing a logging business along with a trucking business can create quite a headache for many logging companies. But while some loggers contract their trucking out, there are still many who own their own trucks and continue to deal with finding and training new drivers, while wrestling with insurance rates and maintaining their rigs. The Leach brothers of Pikeville, NC seem to have figured out how to eliminate some of the headaches. Gerald Leach, 48, runs the logging business known as Leach’s Timber
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ment was older so he and his company went through a lot of breakdowns and repairs. One year later, Kenneth Leach came into the picture and started his own trucking company to operate alongside Leach’s Timber Thinning. “Gerald owns the logging side and I own the trucks,” Kenneth says. “We consider ourselves partners.” Kenneth spent many years driving trucks for other logging companies before deciding to start his own trucking company. They have teamed up to make an impressive duo. Their strong leadership skills have allowed their respective businesses to grow and advance since they were first established.
Leach’s Timber Thinning Gerald has learned many lessons since starting his own company, but one of the most important things he learned is that it’s important to invest in newer equipment. After spending more than $14,000 on equipment repairs in 2016, he decided it was time to invest in some new pieces later in the year. The new equipment lineup consists of a 2016 John Deere 643L feller-buncher with JD FD55 sawhead, 2016 John Deere 648L skidder and a 2016 John Deere 437D loader. The equipment operators are very happy with the new machines and so is Gerald, who operates the loader in tandem with a CSI delimber and slasher saw. “Fighting breakdowns stopped the money making process because sometimes you have to order new parts and you’re down for two weeks because of one piece of equipment,” Gerald explains. “We have had less breakdowns and we’ve been more efficient with this new equipment.” He purchased the new John Deere machines from James River Equipment. The headaches he had with his older equipment have since subsided. “I wanted to try some different equipment and John Deere gave me the better deal,” Gerald says. “Their service has been great.” Southern Loggin’ Times had the opportunity to see the newer equipment in action as Leach’s Timber Thinning was working on an 80acre tract. The company was sorting pulpwood and a small amount of chip-n-saw. Pulpwood is going to Domtar in Plymouth and chip-nsaw is going to Georgia-Pacific in Dudley. Some material is also hauled to Enviva in Faison. Gerald has built up some quality relationships with his main markets. 360 Forest Products helps the company find its tracts of timber and Mike Aycock of 360 has worked with
LTT specializes in small log removal.
Left to right, Pablo Leon, Gerald Leach, Daniel Davis
Leach Timber deals with James River Equipment.
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the Leach brothers since LTT was established. The company is never short on timber to cut.
Operations LTT has three employees and they start working every day at 7 a.m. and leave at 5 p.m. Employees receive a $100 bonus if the weekly goal of 50 loads is met. Gerald doesn’t have a benefits package for them yet, but that’s something he is looking into. “We’re still trying to grow and get off the ground,” he says. “I’m looking at getting a benefits package set up for them.” When LTT works a tract they make sure everything is always cleaned up and nothing gets left behind. They do all of the BMP work and put in water bars. Gerald rarely has to build new roads. LTT has to work on hilly terrain occasionally, but for the most part the ground is flat in the areas they work on. LTT maintains a shop and office in Pikeville, but most of the equipment is worked on out on the jobsite. “If it’s a hose or something we’ll fix it out here in the field,” Gerald explains. “If it’s something major and it needs to go in I’ll take it to James River.”
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When weekly production surpasses 50 loads, an employee bonus kicks in.
Machines get greased every other day. Oil is changed every 500 hours and Shell Rotella oil is used. Daniel Davis operates the fellerbuncher, Pablo Leon runs the skidder and Gerald mans the loader for the small outfit. Workers are granted time off for personal time and sickness. They also get time off during the main holidays. The importance of safety is stressed daily and safety meetings are held regularly. LTT hasn’t had any problems with equipment vandalism, but Gerald has seen his share of it working for other loggers throughout his life.
Trucking K R Leach Trucking operates three International trucks that pull Pitts trailers. Kenneth has been in the trucking business for three years and is still getting a feel for the operation. The company has experienced long lines at one of the mills recently, but that was due to a crane being down. KRL’s drivers are able to get in and out of the mills fairly quickly most of the time. When Kenneth hires a driver he goes through each individual’s driving records and makes sure they have a clean background. Finding
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new drivers is always a tough task and Kenneth is constantly looking for new ways to find and retain quality drivers. Kenneth reports that he has had minimal run-ins with the DOT. “They stop us sometimes, but it’s briefly because I keep my trucks in good shape,” he says. “Most of the time they stop me it’s for a light inspection or to see if I’m overloaded.” Drivers are paid a percentage of the profit on each load. They’re normally paid 30% of the profit after the fuel. “It works out pretty well,” Kenneth says. “It keeps them from
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Kenneth Leach runs International trucks that pull Pitts trailers.
having a heavy foot on the gas. It also keeps them accounatable.” Kenneth has plans to install dash cams in his trucks in the future. “That’s something we’re going to invest in here soon and put them in all the trucks so we can protect ourselves,” he explains. “People are ‘sue happy’ these days and we’re trying to look out for our business and that’s the best way to do it.” KRL has only experienced one accident since the company was created. Drivers are randomly drug tested and that includes Kenneth. Kenneth and his drivers inspect their trucks before they leave a tract. The normal rule for the company is that drivers are supposed to stop and make sure their straps have stayed tight after 25 miles on the road. When the business is hauling treelength logs only one strap in the front and one strap in the back in necessary. Drivers are expected to wear hardhats when they’re outside of the truck inspecting their load. Kenneth is planning on building a truck shop near Winterville in the future. Kenneth’s wife, Doris, manages the business side of KRL.
Expansion Both LTT and KRL are looking to expand some in the future. Kenneth wants to add a couple more trucks while Gerald would like to see his crew a little bigger, but he’s remaining cautious. He doesn’t want the headache of having to deal with two crews, but he thinks there will be a time when he’ll need more employees and more equipment. Kenneth and Gerald lean on each other for advice and help when it comes to running their respective businesses. “I’m looking to expand so my brother and I are trying to put something together,” Gerald says. “He’s going to add some more trucks so I’ll buy a piece as I need it. I don’t want to overdo it and I don’t want to have a piece out there that’s not paying for itself.” The brothers have shown that they’re in this logging game for the long haul with their recent equipment investments. “We always talked about new equipment and like I said we’re in it to win it,” Kenneth says. “We might as well buy the stuff that’s going to keep us in it because you can’t fight breakdowns.” The logging and trucking business is never certain, but the future looks bright in North Carolina for the Leach brothers. They hope to keep learning and adapting as they continue to grow as business SLT owners. Contact by email: krleachtruck ingllc@yahoo.com
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Back In The Saddle ■ Alabama’s Mike Gates successfully returns to logging after a 14-year stint in trucking.
Mike Gates started his company, Mike Gates Trucking, Inc., in 2004.
By Jordan Anderson WHATLEY, Ala. n his signature song “Back In The Saddle Again” famous American cowboy Gene Autry ★ sings about doing what he loves: riding on the open range. Listening to the song you get a sense that it’s been a while since this cowboy has ventured out into open country and he anxiously awaits his next chance to climb on his trusty steed and head out for another night under the stars. It’s as if this is the place he feels most at home. If you took this song and replaced the cowboy with a logger, the range with a south Alabama pine stand and the steed with a Chevrolet truck, it could be written about a man like Mike Gates. Gates, 51, has seen success in both logging and trucking. He worked for his father’s company,
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H.P. Gates Logging, starting as a teenager. H.P. Gates Jr. began logging in the mid1950s, hand felling trees and using oxen to skid logs. Mike starting running the operation at 18 years old and the company changed its name to Gates Logging in the mid ’80s. Logging operations ceased in 2000 following H.P.’s death in 1999, but the trucking side continued to roll. Gates started his own company, Mike Gates Trucking, Inc., in 2004. He focused on trucking until the summer of 2014 when the opportunity to start logging again presented itself. It didn’t take much to convince Gates to head back into the woods. “At times I was having trouble Mike Gates Trucking has been clear-cutting pine stands for keeping my trucks runWeyerhaeuser since 2014.
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ning,” he recalls. “Casey Powell with Canfor (it was Scotch-Gulf then) asked me if I’d get back in it and I decided to do it. It’s all I’ve ever done in my life anyway. I was glad to get back in it.” When Southern Loggin’ Times visited Gates on an unseasonably warm day in January his crew was hard at work on a 258-acre clearcut in the small town of Boykin, Ala., situated in a deep bend of the Alabama River. The tract, owned by Weyerhaeuser, was a 26year-old pine plantation with very little hardwood mixed in. Since restarting logging almost three years ago, Gates has been clearcutting for Weyerhaeuser, mostly 30-year-old pine plantations that average
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around 200 acres. He says they seldom cut tracts that produce less than 500 loads.
So Far, So Good Since getting back into logging Gates says that business has been steady and his markets have been good. In 2016 his company faced almost no quotas from any of the mills. “Last year was a really good year for me,” he comments with a smile. “I sure couldn’t complain about it.” He adds that his crew cut six tracts last year, which was plenty enough to keep them busy. Gates, currently not on any quotas, hauls his wood to International Paper in Pine Hill, Canfor in Jackson, Georgia-Pacific/Rocky Creek Lumber in Frisco City and GeorgiaPacific/Alabama River Cellulose in Monroeville. He and his crew average 80 loads per week and typically work within a 70-mile radius of their shop in Whatley. Hauls to the mills can sometimes push 80 miles. Safety is a top priority for Gates. Since starting his company in 2004 he’s never had any truck accidents or injuries in the woods. The only incident he can recall happening on his watch was a minor truck accident in 1996. He adds that he’s never had any trouble with the state. “I don’t have any trouble with DOT. I keep all my stuff maintained and up-to-date.”
Gates’ Deere equipment comes from Warrior Tractor and Equipment in Monroeville, Ala.
Crew When it comes to Gates’ crew and truck drivers, he likes to keep things small. “At one time in the ’90s we had three crews, nine trucks,” he recalls. “But boy was that a headache, trying to keep up with all that. I like it just like it is right now. Small crew, everybody gets along, everybody knows the job. I’ve been in it big, had 22 employees at one time, and I just don’t care for that.” The logging crew consists of Willie Wright on the feller-buncher, Willard Foxx on the skidder, Frank
One of two new Mack Pinnacle CXU613 trucks that Gates recently purchased.
Gates’ crew averages 80 loads per week and seldom cut tracts that produce less than 500 loads.
(From left to right) Willie Wright, Mark Harmon, Willard Foxx and Frank Williams
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Williams on the loader and Mark Harmon who trims loaded trucks and does mechanic work, along with a little of everything else. Bruce Newton, Reggie Bass and Chris Gates are truck drivers. Gates remarks that he only hires experienced truck drivers that he knows personally and that his insurance costs are on the rise. His insurance is provided by Mike Ledkins Insurance Agency in Thomasville. Gates and Harmon handle any equipment or truck work done at their shop, including oil changes, brakes and tire changes. The logging operation runs Monday through Friday with very few Saturdays. Gates usually leaves his shop around 3:00 a.m. and tries to be on the job site by 4:30 a.m. Gates does most of the administrative work for his company himself with some help from his daughter Jessica Edwards.
Equipment, Trucks, Trailers John Deere is the equipment of choice for Gates. For all of his logging equipment needs he works with Craig Hare of Warrior Tractor and Equipment in Monroeville. Gates praises Warrior’s customer service and the quality and ad-
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Gates praises the technology and durability of today’s Deere equipment.
vancements of today’s Deere equipment. “Since I got back in it, to me the equipment’s a lot better than when I got out of it. Downtime is a rare thing now. Warrior is real good at tracking what’s going on with the equipment, especially with the fuel system. They’re good about communicating with you if they see any problems,” he says.
Gates’ equipment lineup includes a 2015 Deere 648L skidder, ’14 Deere 648H skidder, ’14 Deere 643K feller-buncher, ’14 Deere 437D loader and ’14 Deere 650K dozer. For trucking needs Gates works with Chris Gates of Truckworx in Thomasville and Hunter Cross of Gulf Coast Truck & Equipment Co.
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in Pine Hill. He currently owns and operates three of his own trucks: a 2014 Kenworth T800 and ’16 and ’17 Mack Pinnacle CXU613’s. Aside from his three trucks, Gates contracts two other trucks when needed from Tommy Powell Trucking and TJ Edwards Trucking. Covington Heavy Duty Parts in Monroeville supplies Gates’ brakes, fil-
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ters and other truck parts. Gates owns five log trailers— four Pitts with one Magnolia— along with two Pitts lowboys, ’15 and ’16 models, and one custom pole trailer built last year to Gates’ specifications by Carter Enterprises, LLC in Stanton, Ala. SLT featured Casey Carter, owner of Carter Enterprises, in a September 2015 article. Carter credits Gates’ business, support and referrals with helping him expand his own company. “Mike is a man of his word
Gates emphasizes safety and works hard to ensure his trucks meet DOT regulations.
and a hard worker. He’s really helped me out a lot,” Carter comments. Carter has also installed SI On-Board Scales on several of Gates’ trucks and trailers. One of Gates’ log trailers, a ’16 Pitts, and both of his Mack trucks are equipped with disc brakes, something he says you don’t see much of yet. Disc brake popularity is being driven by changes in federal stopping distance requirements and the fact that disc brakes, although initially higher in price than drum brakes, require less frequent maintenance that can be done more quickly. “The disc brakes seem to stop way better,” Gates believes. “They don’t need as much maintenance and, from what I’ve heard, they’re supposed to last three times longer than drum brakes.” Dozier Oil & Tire Company out of Thomasville delivers Shell Rotella motor oil and diesel fuel in bulk directly to Gates’ shop. They also supply Chevron hydraulic oil and grease. Gates gets his tires from Southern Tire Mart in Meridian, where he works with sales rep Jimmy Sanders. He runs Firestone on his logging equipment and trailers and Generals on his trucks.
The Future A growing concern among many seasoned loggers like Gates is the lack of young people interested in entering the logging profession. “We need more interest from the younger generation and more training for young folks who want to get in it,” he asserts. “Logging is something you don’t learn overnight. Down south the logging industry controls a big part of the economy and if the industry goes down in this part of the country, we’ll be hurting.” As for his future in logging, Gates plans to keep going strong. He says that Weyerhaeuser will have him working in the same area through at least the middle of 2017. When he’s not in the woods, Gates enjoys spending time at home with his wife of 32 years, Marie, and with his daughters, Jessica and Jasmine. Like most loggers, Gates loves the outdoors and is an avid hunter. Gates says that his keys to success include staying on top of maintenance, having a good relationship with Weyerhaeuser and the landowners, and most importantly, sound financial management. “The most important thing is making sure you manage your money right,” he comments. SLT
Contact Mike Gates by email: mikegates2013@yahoo.com.
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Under Watchful Eyes ■ The Childs family operates Triple C Fiber in honor of the family patriarch, Jessy Childs. By Jessica Johnson GEORGETOWN, Tenn. strong faith in God includes ★ a recognition that eyes from above are watching over you and your life. The members of the Childs family view themselves as doubly blessed in this regard. Not only are the eyes and hands of God on them, but they believe their beloved patriarch, Jessy Childs, who passed away in April 2015, is looking out for them as well. According to Tim Childs, crew foreman and son of bosswoman Velma Childs, everything that his family business is today, and everything that it will ever become, is due to his father, Jessy. Tim and his brother David operate two crews for their mother’s timber business, Triple C Fiber. What it is today was built entirely on the foundation laid by their father’s hands. The family believes so strongly that their father is watching over them that they have decals on the work trucks in memory of Jessy. Jessy started the logging operation in the 1960s, Velma says, with nothing but a chain saw and a pick up. David remembers when his father transitioned to a Big-Stick loader and then eventually to a sawhead cutter. “Jessy was one of the first to haul treelength wood to the Bowater mill in Calhoun using a pole trailer,” Velma says. Today, Triple C Fiber still has a contract with what was then a Bowater paper mill in Calhoun, Tenn. It’s since changed hands to become Resolute Forest Products, but the Childs still haul most of their pine production there—just 14 miles from their homestead. The crew has grown in size since Jessy started it, but it has remained firmly a family affair, working hard against mill downtime, equipment breakdowns and weather to get production where it needs to be. Across both crews Triple C Fiber averages 50 loads per week, if Resolute Forest Products allows, with a one-time record of 72 loads.
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Forest Products, under forester Ed Elridge, is critical to the logging company’s success. Usually, the two crews are spread out equally, one 50 miles to the north of the mill and one 50 miles to the south. The crews are usually on 100 to 150 acre clear-cuts of pine plantations, typical for their part of east Tennessee. The brothers, who run the cutters on each crew, say they prefer clear-cuts but do a lot of thinning, which is why they run the cutters themselves. “We know the thinning is done right. If anyone comes back on us for trees being skinned or anything like that, we can only blame ourselves,” Tim says. For Triple C, the log market isn’t as strong as it has been in the past— which has pushed them to haul as far as Alabama, creating a 200 mile haul radius. David says that with the announcement that Huber will be reopening their shuttered mill this summer, he has some renewed hope in their close markets. Iron on David’s crew includes a 2005 Timberjack 460D skidder, a 2000 430 Timberjack loader and a vintage 840 Timberjack sawhead cutter. “If you want to finance me, we’ll upgrade tomorrow,” he says with a booming laugh and a big smile, before noting that the upgrade process has been steady, but slow. “When we get shut off because the mill is down or full, it’s hard to upgrade.” Iron on Tim’s crew has seen some upgrading. It includes a 2013 Tigercat loader purchased at auction, a 2003 Tigercat skidder, a 2000 560 Timberjack skidder, a 2004 843H John Deere sawhead cutter, and a 2004 648G-III John Deere skidder. Neither crew makes regular use of a power saw, despite the hilly terrain. Tim and David say the rubber tire cutters get the job done. David says he prefers to run Firestone Forestry tires, as they traditionally have gotten the best service from them. Cutters run 30.5 in. tires. Keeping this many vintage pieces going takes a lot of grease, the
Tim, Velma, center, and David Childs
brothers say. David does most of the work himself, though crewmembers pitch in on greasing. Oil is changed every three months. Velma’s house is outfitted with a shop, but David prefers to do all work in-woods, saying it helps with the workflow of the day. Parts are sourced from a variety of places, including Meade John Deere in Chattanooga and the classified section of Southern Loggin’ Times. “We buy a lot of stuff, engines and some of the bigger things like that from the classifieds. It helps a lot,” Tim says. Sweetwater Valley Oil Co. supplies diesel products; Tractor Supply Co. provides all oil products. Tim and David believe that safety isn’t just a once a week program, it’s an ongoing initiative every day. The members of each crew all meet together in the morning and ride to
David's crew, from left, David, Charles Davis, Doug Crisp, Jermey Davis
home at night affords team members a chance to discuss anything that happened during the day. Workers’ comp insurance is provided by Forestry Mutual through Davis and Garvin and equipment insurance is provided by Ledkins Insurance. Maintaining a safe job is one of the most important things for David, who wants to make sure he can go out in the woods each day. “It’s beautiful out here. We have fun. I’ve never worked inside a building for a day in my life, and I don’t ever want to.”
Trucking the woods in a work truck—this creates opportunities for Tim and David to have daily safety talks with the crews. In the morning the crews will discuss the day’s plan as well as anything that might have happened the day before. The drive
Velma handles all paperwork with the assistance of her granddaughter (and loader operator) Tiffany Godfrey in an office at her house. She says that one of the challenges the two are up against is the clock—and dirt. Velma adds that she is constantly
Tim's crew, from left, Tiffany Godfrey, Tim, Carson Childs, Daniel Godfrey
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asking for the drivers to keep a close DOT, but the family views stops by Childs family shops for the best eye over the tickets, but sometimes TDOT as both good and bad. On deal possible—though the consendespite their best efforts, the tickets one hand, Velma hates when TDOT sus is that the Freightliner is the just get dirty. The dirt then can some- will stop the truck on the way to the preferred make. times make it difficult to see times, mill, as the crew is always working David says on his crew, as well as dates and the like. against quota and needs to get to the Tim’s, the loader operator puts emVelma and Godfrey work vigimill safely, without delay. David, on phasis on making sure loads leave the lantly to get the tickets to Resolute the other hand, welcomes checks woods looking as clean as possible. and their other markets on time, as from TDOT. “A check by DOT is a The loader operator trims loads with to avoid confusion or trouble assogood thing,” he insists. “If they a pole saw. They feel that by making ciated with falling behind. “Everycheck your truck and don’t write sure no limbs are dangling, the trees thing is paid on production for our you up, they have a record that they aren’t too skinned with the possibility crews, so getting tickets in on time checked your truck. If you have an of bark or other debris failing, that is important,” Velma adds. accident down the road it shows TDOT doesn’t stop them as often. The biggest challenge though for that your truck was in good shape That method comes in handy when Velma on the paperwork side of the when it left him.” everyone is battling stress to get business, she says without hesitaThe four trucks are each a differthings done safely and quickly when tion, is trucking. The crew runs two ent brand (Freightliner, Kenworth, the mill puts time limits on hauling. of its own trucks on each job—total Peterbilt and International). Like That stress can be compounded when of four trucks—and the trucks have with in-woods equipment, the TDOT stops a truck and it doesn’t suffered a few accidents make it in time, forcing the over the years. driver to park that load. “It’s been people runThe crew has nine trailning into our trucks,” Tim ers to work with: three says. “We won’t be the homemade bunk trailers, a cause of the accident, but homemade pole trailer, two of course, when a log Savannah bunk trailers and truck is involved it seems a Kent pole trailer. The like everyone just wants homemade trailers are a to make an extra headache collaborative effort for us. Our trucks will get between David and inspected and then turned crewmember Charles loose after the accidents. ” Davis, who also helps with Triple C has had some routine truck maintenance. Tim's daughter Tiffany Godfrey runs the Tigercat loader on his crew. issues with the Tennessee For Tim, David and
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David and Tim Childs prefer to run the cutters on their crews.
Velma, controlling how the crews work and how the trucks look when they leave goes back to Jessy. When the family first got into the logging business Jessy did everything himself. He cut, he loaded and he hauled from daylight to dark and later. He showed his family what needed to be done in order to have pride in your work. That is ingrained in each of them and it’s a big reason why they are so conscientious now. Each says that everything they do is in SLT Jessy’s memory. Contact by e-mail: tiplecfiber@ hotmail.com
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New Doc, Quick Learner
Getting An Early Start
Back in the day, a young doctor had moved out to a small community to replace a doctor who was retiring. The older gent suggested the young one accompany him on his rounds so the community could get to know him. At the first house a woman complained, “I've been a little sick to my stomach.” The older doctor said, “Well, you've probably been overdoing the fresh fruit. Why not cut back on the amount you eat and see if that does the trick?” As they left the younger man said, “You didn't even examine that woman. How'd you come to your diagnosis so quickly?” “I didn't have to,” the older doc replied. “You noticed I dropped my stethoscope on the floor in there? When I bent over to pick it up, I noticed a half dozen banana peels in the trash. That was what was probably making her sick.” “Hmmm,” the younger doctor said. “Pretty clever. I think I'll try that at the next house.” At the next stop they spent several minutes talking with a middle aged woman. She complained that she just didn't have much energy anymore, saying, “I'm feeling terribly run down lately.” “You've probably been doing too much work for the church,” the younger doctor told her. “Perhaps you should cut back a bit and see if that helps.” As they left, the elder doc said, “Your diagnosis is almost certainly correct, but how did you arrive at it?” “Well, just like you at the last house, I dropped my stethoscope. When bent down to retrieve it, I noticed the preacher under the bed.”
Points Of Wisdom l The
location of your mailbox shows you how far away from your house you can be in a robe before you start looking like a mental patient. l My therapist said that my narcissism causes me to misread social situations. I'm pretty sure she was hitting on me. l I always wondered what the job application is like at Hooters. Do they just give you a bra and say, “Here, fill this out?” l The speed with which a woman says “nothing,” when asked “What's wrong?” is inversely proportional to the severity of the storm that's coming. l Denny's has a slogan, “If it's your birthday, the meal is on us.” If you're in Denny's and it's your birthday, your life sucks! l The pharmacist asked me my birth date again today. Pretty sure she's going to get me something. l On average, an American man will have sex two to three times a week. Whereas, a Japanese man will have sex only one or two times a year. This is very upsetting news to me. I had no idea I was Japanese.
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Members of the Reaves family of Coleman Falls, Va. have had a lot of fun with this photo, made on Thanksgiving Day last year. The toddler’s name, Ridge Timber Dean Reaves, may be a little unusual, but his father explains: “Dean is for his mother’s late father. The rest of it just seemed to match him—a tough, strong, big little guy right from the beginning.” Now a year old, the big little guy may well become the fourth generation logger in the Reaves family. His parents are Roy and Michelle, grandparents are Donny and Gloria, and great-grandparents are Edwin and Loraine. lI
can't understand why women are okay that JC Penny has an older women's clothing line named, “Sag Harbor.” l I think it's pretty cool how Chinese people made a language entirely out of tattoos. l What is it about a car that makes people think we can't see them picking their noses? l The reason Mayberry was so peaceful and quiet was because nobody was married. Andy, Aunt Bea, Barney, Floyd, Howard, Goober, Gomer, Sam, Earnest T. Bass, Helen, Thelma Lou, Clara, and of course, Opie—all single. The only married person was Otis, and he stayed drunk.
An Older Couple After nearly 50 years of marriage, a couple was lying in bed one evening, when the wife felt her husband begin to massage her in ways he hadn't in quite some time. It almost tickled as his fingers started at her neck, and then began moving down past the small of her back. He then caressed her shoulders and neck, slowly worked his hand down, stopping just over her stomach. He then proceeded to place his hand on her left inner arm, working down her side, passing gently over her buttock and down her leg to her calf. Then, he proceeded up her thigh, stopping just at the uppermost portion of her leg. He continued in the same manner on her right side, then suddenly stopped, rolled over and became silent. As she had become quite aroused by this caressing, she said in a loving voice, “Honey, that was wonderful. Why did you stop?” To which he responded, “I found the remote.”
Church Bulletin Bloopers Due to the Rector’s illness, Wednesday’s healing services will be discontinued until further notice. Bertha Belch, a missionary from Africa, will be speaking tonight at Calvary Methodist. Come hear Bertha Belch all the way from Africa. The Rev. Merriweather spoke briefly, much to the delight of the audience. Applications are now being accepted for twoyear-old nursery workers. The pastor will preach his farewell message, after which the choir will sing, “Break Forth Into Joy.” If you would like to make a donation, fill out a form, enclose a check, and drip in the collection basket. Next Sunday Mrs. Vinson will be soloist for the morning service. The pastor will then speak on “It’s A Terrible Experience.” We are grateful for the help of those who cleaned up the grounds around the church building and the rector. A worm welcome to all who have come today. Barbara remains in the hospital and needs blood donors for more transfusions. She is also having trouble sleeping and requests tapes of Pastor Nelson’s sermons. During the absence of our pastor, we enjoyed the rare privilege of hearing a good sermon when J.F. Stubbs supplied our pulpit. Irving Benson and Jessie Carter were married on October 24 in the church. So ends a friendship that began in their school days. The ushers will come forward and take our ties and offerings. The rosebud on the altar this morning is to announce the birth of David Alan Belzer, the sin of Rev. and Mrs. Julius Belzer. Please place your donation in the envelope, along with the deceased person(s) you want remembered.
Ponderable Thoughts Men should not even try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other. Be decisive. Right or wrong, make a decision. The road of life is paved with flattened squirrels who could not. People generally want the front of the bus, the back of the church, and the center of attention. Never make a woman mad, for they can remember stuff that hasn’t happened yet. Some people are their own punishment in life. Some things are better left unsaid—and I usually realize it right after I say them. Life is short. Smile while you still have teeth.
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WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Posey Logging—1987 By Dan Shell EDITORS NOTE: Here at Southern Loggin’ Times we’ve decided to take a look back at logging companies that have been featured in the magazine over the years and see where they are now: the people and equipment, the mills they hauled to and as many other facts we can find
in the article and how their relevance might have changed over the years or otherwise been affected by the passage of time… hirty years ago this month, SLT included a short feature article on Posey Logging of Gordo, Ala, a two-crew operation headed up by three (then suddenly two) brothers
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M another brother, Matthew, are continuing the family tradition and Posey Logging as a single-crew operation. The two remaining brothers who had founded the company in the 1950s both stepped away from the job for health reason, James in 1992 and Robert in 2000. Today, the company is running a single crew: Roy operates the fellerbuncher and does most of the mechanic work, and Jerry is still running the loader 30 years later. Matthew operates one skidder and Kevin Ball runs another one. James Weeks handles saw work and runs a skidder when needed. One of co-founder James’ grandsons, Kyle (Roy’s son), a local paramedic/fireman with the City of Northport, drives a truck for Posey Logging on his off days. Larry’s son, Stephen, who works for another logging company in the region, also worked for Posey Logging for a few years after he finished high school. Since 2008, Posey Logging has worked closely with Knight Timber Services out of Amory, Miss. Recent markets include Norbord OSB in Guntown, Miss., Domtar at Amory, and Tombigbee Lumber and Holman Lumber in Fulton, Miss. Roy says the company has a reputation for working well with the most demanding landowners, and has recently been doing some sensitive hardwood thinning work. Though he says the company can perform any type of logging job efficiently, “We’ve been doing mostly hardwood logs and pulpwood the past 18 months or so,” Roy says. He adds that after all his years in the business, it still remains difficult to find good employees, and though Knight Timber handles much of the trucking arrangements it can still be inconsistent, Roy says. That’s one reaPosey Logging 30 years later, from left: Matthew Posey, James Weeks and Roy and Jerry Posey. Not pictured: Kevin Ball. son he still runs the one truck. Rounding up the people involved in the 1987 article required quite a few phone calls, including one to Mrs. Fay Posey (James’ wife), who still lives in Gordo, Ala. and who married one logger and raised three more. Asked what it was like living among all those loggers, she says. “Well, when it’s not raining they’re working, and when it’s raining they’re working on equipment.” For a “tightknit, hardworking clan of loggers” who have operated a family business across seven decades, that sounds Roy’s son Kyle, a paramedic/fireman, Crew has logged mostly hardwood the last two years. SLT about right. drives a truck on his days off. 30
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in northwest Alabama. The story was written by Connie Long Estes, who was Southern Loggin’ Times’ first female reporter. She composed a lead about how most people think a posy is a flower, “but a ‘Posey’ here is recognized as a tight-knit, hardworking clan of loggers,” she wrote. In 1987, Estes caught up with the Poseys in Pickens County, where they were working for Gulf States Paper and rarely left the local community. The two-crew operation was “geared up in a big way for shortwood” and working on the same tract for once instead of different sites: Two Hydro-Ax 611Bs with 20 in. shears dropped timber while Deere 640 and 648D skidders made turns to a set of Prentice 210B loaders— each mated to an FEC Hydro SawBuck. “They’re cheaper than manpower,” said company founder Robert Posey, who added that Husqvarna chain saws were used for load trimming. The Poseys equipment reflected the time: Young and ESCO skidder grapples were all of 48- and 36 in., respectively. The article also referred to “trying to work out an arrangement” with Gulf States Paper concerning the butt damage caused by shear-cut timber.
From left, brothers James, Robert and Vester Posey, with Jimmy Sisson, in 1987.
crew, Larry eventually decided to do something else after working in the woods for years. Loss of the Gulf States Paper procurement arrangement has meant changes for Posey Logging, mostly in the form of more travel, plus more sorts in the woods. “I decided to get out of logging,” says Larry, who went into the electric motor business and is now retired. He says he doesn’t have any regrets working in the woods earlier or switching careers. “It’s just the way SLT life works out.”
Men & Sons Back in 1987, someone must have made a wisecrack as all three Posey Brothers—plus Warrior Tractor salesman Jimmy Sisson—are in various stages of smiles and laughter in the 1987 article’s lead photo: Left to right are brothers James, Robert and Vester Posey, along with Sisson. Tragically, Vester had already died —in mid 1986 in a car wreck—before the article ran in the magazine. Sisson died in 1989, according to sources at Warrior. The two company founders lived to ripe old ages: James, who was also a well-known minister in Tuscaloosa and Pickens Counties, died in 2011 at age 76. Robert, a U.S. Army veteran, died in 2016 at the age of 86. Both were life-long residents of Pickens County. The 1987 article mentioned James’ three sons, Roy, Larry and Jerry, who operated the feller-bunchers and loader. In the article, Robert said the brothers had been at it so long they couldn’t remember how or why they got started logging—only that they began loading by hand and the job just got bigger. Contacted for this 2017 update, James’ son Larry said the brothers started logging in the 1950s, initially working with mules and truly loading by hand at first. Though he says some of his fondest memories are when he was an 8year-old carrying water jugs to the Southern Loggin’ Times
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INDUSTRY NEWS ROUNDUP Klausner Tries To Catch Up The Klausner Lumber One sawmill at Live Oak, Fla. in late January temporarily laid off its second shift employees and scaled back production with first shift, according to reports. The arrangement was expected to last only weeks before the mill resumed full speed. However, the slowdown could last longer than anticipated due to a shortage of logs, which loggers/suppliers contend was the underlying reason for the shutdown. The mill’s primary suppliers stopped delivering logs to the mill in late January, citing non-payment for logs they had previously delivered. Loggers contacted by SLT claimed the collective supply group was owed upwards of $2 million at one point—some larger suppliers reportedly were short $300,000 or more— but pointed out that Klausner was whittling away at the amount. “We need that log market and hope that Klausner succeeds, but we cannot operate without being paid,” said the owner of one affected log-
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ging company. A second Klausner sawmill under construction in Enfield, NC had reportedly made good progress, but was recently put on hold. “I’m not sure Klausner (at Live Oak) will succeed but I believe there has been too large of an investment for it not to work for someone. I understand the sawmill in Enfield, NC is two-thirds completed but on hold. Not a good sign in this lumber market,” commented an industry source. Last spring a former Klausner human resources employee sued the company for allegedly submitting false statements, mostly in regard to hiring and training practices, to federal, state and local governments to receive public grants and funding. The complaint was a “qui tam” lawsuit, which is a civil lawsuit whistleblowers bring under the False Claims Act. Klausner Lumber One later filed a motion to dismiss the complaint, noting the former employee failed to state a claim for relief or plead her claims with enough particular detail, and that the former employee was not in a position to have personal knowledge of her allegations.
Logger John Bunn, II Dies In Truck Mishap A memorial service for John Bunn, II, co-owner of Bunn Logging, Inc., Forsyth, Ga., was held February 12 at Forsyth United Methodist Church. Bunn, 54, John Bunn II died February 9 when the loaded log truck he was driving and a smaller flatbed truck collided near Gray, Ga. The driver of the smaller truck, Raymond Macon, 33, of Eatonton, Ga., pulled out in front of the log truck, which had the right-of-way, according to a report in The Jones County News. Macon also died in the mishap. There were no passengers in either vehicle. Bunn was an equal partner with his older brother, Leslie (Nipper), in Bunn Logging, a second generation business started by their father, Frank, and an uncle in 1948. He was also a minority partner in Quality Forest Products LLC, Forsyth.
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Bunn Logging was honored as the Georgia Forestry Assn.’s Logger of the Year and the Forest Resources Assn.’s (FRA) Southeastern National Outstanding Logger in 2003 and in 2004 was named FRA’s National Outstanding Logger. Survivors include his widow, a son, a brother, and two sisters. Memorials may be made to Monroe County Adult & Community Education (checks to MCACE), P. O. Box 712; or to Monroe Reads with Ferst (checks to FFCL) P. O. Box 812, both in Forsyth, GA 31029.
Border Equipment Reps For Peterson Pacific Peterson Pacific, manufacturer of horizontal grinders, drum and disc chippers, blower trucks, and screens, named Border Equipment as its new distributor in Georgia. Border Equipment, a Case construction equipment dealer in Atlanta, Augusta and Savannah, has the three retail locations and service and support personnel throughout the state. “We are very excited to bring on the Peterson line and are immedi-
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Precision Husky Adds Rob’s Hydraulics Precision Husky Corp. has added Rob’s Hydraulics to its dealer net-
work. Rob’s Hydraulics has been serving eastern North Carolina since 1997 with a variety of services both in shop and on site for heavy equipment.
The RHI sales staff will be promoting and selling Precision Husky’s line of ProGrind horizontal and tub brinders, Precision Husky whole tree chippers, Husky knuckleboom loaders and the entire line of Precision sawmill equipment in the entire state of North Carolina. Rob’s Hydraulics Inc. has two locations: 7765 Pitt Street, Grimesland, NC 27837, 252-7521500; and 7868 US Hwy. 70, Clayton, NC 27520, 919-2430631.
John Kimbel, Jr. Died February 7 John C. Kimbel, Jr., wellknown sawmill and logging equipment auctioneer and businessman of Kingston, John C. Kimbel, Jr. Tenn., died February 7 in a Knoxville hospital after a brief illness. He was 63. He was a principal in his family’s business, Tri-State Auction & Realty Co., where he worked as senior auctioneer and appraiser. His career spanned more than 30 years. Survivors include his widow, three children, four grandchildren, mother, and one sister.
Western Star Turns 50 This Year Western Star Trucks kicked off its year-long 50th anniversary celebration at its annual dealer meeting. The first Western Star trucks were made in 1967 in Kelowna, British Columbia to serve the mining, lumber and oil industries. The company is now owned by Daimler Trucks North America and manufactures trucks in Portland, Ore. and Cleveland, NC. Visit westernstar.com/50.
Hatton-Brown Partners With Ligna Event Hall 26 will once again be home to the Wood Industry Summit during Ligna 2017 in Hannover, Germany and Hatton-Brown Publishers is once again an official partner of the event and will be promoting Southern Loggin’ Times, Timber Harvesting, Panel World, Timber Processing and Wood Bioenergy magazines. The Summit made a very successful debut in 2015, with international customers achieving an 36
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investment volume of some €30 million. As an international meeting place for the primary industry cluster, the Wood Industry Summit features innovative solutions for harvesting and processing and for integrating the various stages of processing. The Summit is divided into three areas: an exhibition, a forum and a matchmaking hub. Every day from Tuesday, May 23, to Friday, May 26, the forum of the Wood Industry
Summit will highlight a topic of current international interest in the industry, with experts from Germany, Austria, Canada, Russia, Sweden and Spain giving presentations and fielding questions from the audience. The main themes at the Wood Industry Summit 2017 include: Tuesday, May 23: Forestry 4.0: Vision or Future? Wednesday, May 24: Development and Infrastructure to Ensure
Sustainable Forestry Thursday, May 25: Forest Fires – Prevention, Detection and Firefighting Friday, May 26: Fleet Management to Optimize the Logistics Chain from the Forest to the Factory Exhibition stands located next to the forum will provide an ideal networking environment for exhibitors and visitors. Ligna will be held May 22-26 at the Hannover Exhibition Grounds.
It’s organized by Deutsche Messe AG and German Woodworking Machinery Manufacturers’ Assn. Contact Anja Brokjans, anja@brokjans.com.
Carolina Chips Mill Is Gearing Up Carolina Chips, Inc., a subsidiary of The Price Companies, Inc., expects to start up a chip mill in Holly Hill, Orangeburg County, SC this year. The $32 million investment, which is creating 15 jobs, will produce chips and processed bark for the KapStone paper mill in North Charleston, SC. Based in Monticello, Ark., The Price Companies, Inc. operates 25 wood processing operations across 11 states that provide a variety of services, including chipping, wood storage and trucking. The facilities are scheduled for completion and operation in the first half of 2017. “We are very proud and excited to be developing a long-term relationship with a solid, progressive and customer-driven company like KapStone,” comments The Price Companies, Inc. President and CEO Dick Carmical. Valmet/Metso is providing most of the chip production line. Fulghum Industries is supplying the crane.
UK Biomass Comes Under The Gun An open letter to the UK Secretary of State for Business, Energy
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& Industrial Strategy, Greg Clark, from representatives of several organizations, including OSB producer Norbord, expresses concern with the current policies regarding biomass burning for electricity and asks Clark to remove biomass conversions from the list of funding. The letter is signed by representatives of the Wood Panel Industries Federation, Friends of the Earth, Natural Resources Defense Council and the Dogwood Alliance, along with Karl Morris, Norbord Senior VP of European Operations. Many Southeast U.S. wood pellet plants ship their pellets to the UK for conversion into electricity. “To date subsidies awarded to large coal power plants have driven
conversion to the use of woody biomass, primarily pellets. But largescale electricity-only generation from forest biomass is expensive, highly polluting, and poses a major risk to forests and the wildlife that depends on them,” the letter states. Carbon emissions from power stations burning wood pellets made from whole trees—even in relatively small proportions—rival or exceed those from fossil fuels for more than five decades, far beyond timeframes relevant for addressing climate change, according to the letter. “There is now ample evidence, including Government’s own Biomass Emissions and Counterfactual (BEAC) report and calculator, that
the wood pellets currently burned in large scale electricity-only UK power plants far exceed government emissions thresholds when the changes to forest carbon stocks are taken into account. However, the emissions resulting from those changes to forest carbon stocks are wrongly assumed to be zero when subsidies are awarded.” Additionally, the letter states, demand for wood pellets for bioenergy poses a threat to wildlife. “UK imports from the U.S. to meet pellet demand are being sourced from whole trees in Southeastern forests, home to some of the most biologically-rich wetland forests in North America, known as bottomland hardwood forests.”
Forests are one of the best defenses against climate change because they provide buffers against flooding and the serious effects of storms, according to the letter. “We need to accelerate efforts to protect our forests and improve ecosystem health, not open the floodgates for forests to be burned as fuel for electricity. It is also the time to invest in genuinely clean energy technologies, such as onshore and offshore wind, solar and demand side response and storage, which are more economical and do not degrade forests or increase climate and air pollution.” The letter says that subsidizing the burning of wood distorts the wood market by providing commercial advantage to bioenergy generators over other wood users. The impact of this is to drive up prices for timber and residues, which are the feedstock for industries that manufacture wood products that can lock up the carbon for a long period. “If these industries are negatively impacted then large numbers of jobs are at risk. If prices go up customers are more likely to use high carbon alternatives to wood products like gypsum board and steel, resulting in both economic and climate impacts.” The letter urges Clark to conduct an urgent review of the UK’s bioenergy policies in 2017.
Florida College Offers Logger Training Class The College of Central Florida will launch its new Timber Harvesting Equipment Program this
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cat and Caterpillar, land and timber from the Florida Forest Service, and a commitment from area loggers to supply trucks to haul the wood and men to train the students. A retired Florida Forest Service employee developed the curriculum. “We believe the reason for that is because there is a huge void in the generation that is currently working in the woods and the generation that is coming behind them,” Handley continues. “Everyone wants and needs this industry to continue to thrive in this part of the country and it will not make it unless we can train some of these new millennials how to run equipment.” The timber program is being offered thanks to support from two grants: an $11,000 Big Bend Region Seed Grant from the Arlington, Virginia-based Conservation Fund and a $200,000 grant from Lyme Timber. For more inforation contact Rayanne Giddis, CF Provost, at 352-493-9533 ext. 2103 or 352854-2322 ext. 2103 or email giddisr@cf.edu
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COMING EVENTS March
July
22-24—Hardwood Manufacturers Assn. National Conference & Expo, Francis Marion Hotel, Sundance Square, Charleston, SC. Call 412-244-0440; visit hmamembers.org.
21-23—Georgia Forestry Assn. annual meeting, Jekyll Island Convention Center, Jekyll Island, Ga. Call 912635-6400; visit gfagrow.org.
April 4-6—Kentucky Forest Industries Association annual meeting, Embassy Suites, Lexington, Ky. Call 502-695-3979; visit kfia.org.
May 2-4—Forest Resources Assn. annual meeting, Francis Marion Hotel, Charleston, SC. Call 202-296-3937; visit forestresources.org. 3-7—Virginia Forestry Assn. Summit, Roanoke, Va. Call 804-2788733; visit vaforestry.org.
June 2-3—Southeastern Wood Producers Assn. Trade Show and annual meeting, Jekyll Island Conference Center, Jekyll Island, Ga. Call 904-8457133; visit swpa.ag. 14-16—Forest Products Machinery & Equipment Expo, Georgia World Congress Center, Atlanta, Ga. Call 504-443-4464; visit sfpaexpo.com.
21-23—Missouri Forest Products Assn./Missouri Loggers Council annual meeting, Lake of the Ozarks, Camdenton, Mo. Call 816-6305500; visit moforest.org.
August 17-20—Virginia Loggers Assn. annual meeting, The Inn at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. Call 804677-4290; visit valoggers.org. 25-26—Southwest Forest Products Expo 2017, Hot Springs Convention Center, Hot Springs, Ark. Call 501224-2232; visit arkloggers.com. 29-31—Louisiana Forestry Assn. annual meeting, Hilton Riverside New Orleans, New Orleans, La. Call 318-443-2558; visit laforestry.com.
September 10-12—Alabama Forestry Assn. annual meeting, Perdido Beach Resort, Orange Beach, Ala. Call 334-265-8733; visit alaforestry.org. 15-16—Kentucky Wood Expo, Masterson Station Park, Lexington, Ky. Call 502-695-3979; visit kfia.org.
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15-16—Mid-Atlantic Logging & Biomass Expo, Selma/Smithfield, NC. Call 919-271-9050; visit malbexpo.com. 28-30—American Loggers Council annual meeting, Natchez Grand Hotel, Natchez Convention Center, Natchez, Miss. Call 409-625-0206. visit amloggers.com.
October 3-5—Arkansas Forestry Assn. annual meeting, Holiday Inn Airport, Little Rock, Ark. Call 501374-2441; visit arkforests.org. 4-6—North Carolina Forestry Assn. annual meeting, Hilton Riverside, Wilmington, NC. Visit ncforestry.org. 26-28—Texas Logging Council annual meeting, La Torretta Lake Resort, Conroe, Tex. Call 936-6328733. Listings are submitted months in advance. Always verify dates and locations with contacts prior to making plans to attend.
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